How will it effect the CSLR

[DazBlackCSL]

So if you guys go yes .. Are we out on our own ? Will there be a split .. Two versions of the site divided by madness .. It's something we need to be prepared for ;):beer:

And WTF is Jimbo? Has he gone AWOL

[Mark CSL]

The site will be the same only us Scots will keep all our money in Scotland

Like my DAD said would you work all week then give your Neighbor your
wages and tell him to buy your messages and give you whats left :banghead::banghead:



Its a YES from me :thumbs:

[shimmy]

fact,,,,,,salmon says he will introduce a big car purchase tax like in Ireland so it will be interesting to be sure.

[CSLScot]

Proud Scot and it's a No from me. 50-50 split already! Would be funny if it wasn't so serious IMO.

[Mark CSL]

We are a great country we can do a better job looking after Scotland's finances

But this will be sorted on Thursday i am voting Yes its not going to make a big difference to me but it will my children.

[Mark CSL]

Proud Scot and it's a No from me. 50-50 split already! Would be funny if it wasn't so serious IMO.


Can i ask why ?

[shimmy]

The site will be the same only us Scots will keep all our money in Scotland

Like my DAD said would you work all week then give your Neighbor your
wages and tell him to buy your messages and give you whats left :banghead::banghead:



Its a YES from me :thumbs:

we all do and you will still do, you are just redefining who your neighbour s.:whistle:

Im a NO man coz i think UK is better than a federal europe which is what is coming to anybody across the water (including Scotland if they vote YES, so out of the frying pan.....

[Mark CSL]

fact,,,,,,salmon says he will introduce a big car purchase tax like in Ireland so it will be interesting to be sure.


We will always be taxed no mater who runs the country :banghead::banghead::banghead:

All they have to do is show Brave hart on tv Wednesday

[LeinsCSL]

fact,,,,,,salmon says he will introduce a big car purchase tax like in Ireland so it will be interesting to be sure.

If ever there was a reason to vote "No"... :banghead:


In all seriousness, very interested in how this is all going to pan out

[shimmy]

We will always be taxed no mater who runs the country :banghead::banghead::banghead:

do you really think your kids will thank you for voting you out of the UK into a Federal Europe within 10 years? Do you really think you will control your finances/taxes/borders?

Salaman (sorry Salmon) will have an awful lot to answer for once his agenda is fully appreciated.

[Mark CSL]

it wont mater what happens we are all foo ked :hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

[Yanto]

Apparently Salmond is banning porn, so the men's room is fooked (so to speak) :smokin:

[Mark CSL]

Apparently Salmond is banning porn, so the men's room is fooked (so to speak) :smokin:


Its a NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FROM ME THEN :whistle:


Its mad how one thing can change things lol

[CSLScot]

Can i ask why ?

There is so much risk associated with the SNP's Utopian fantasy land it's untrue. The Yes campaign has played (very well unfortunately) on the emotions of many people & Salmond is peddling so many promises he does not have control over. To me it has now reached a toxic mix of division & anti-English sentiment without any logical analysis of the cold hard facts. It's not scaremongering, nonsense or intimidation, it's reality. Here's the best, non-political & pragmatic summary I've read to date:

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland-s-decision-the-scotsman-s-verdict-1-3537857

If this proud nation votes Yes on Thursday, we will indeed get the politicians we deserve & they will be governing a divided nation. Welcome to the new Northern Ireland, without quite the same level of religious hatred.

[Yanto]

Its a NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FROM ME THEN :whistle:


Its mad how one thing can change things lol

Breaking point of a kit kat :hahaha:

[Mark CSL]

Breaking point of a kit kat :hahaha:

some updates in the mens room enough crap politics :whistle::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

[Mark CSL]

There is so much risk associated with the SNP's Utopian fantasy land it's untrue. The Yes campaign has played (very well unfortunately) on the emotions of many people & Salmond is peddling so many promises he does not have control over. To me it has now reached a toxic mix of division & anti-English sentiment without any logical analysis of the cold hard facts. It's not scaremongering, nonsense or intimidation, it's reality. Here's the best, non-political & pragmatic summary I've read to date:

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland-s-decision-the-scotsman-s-verdict-1-3537857

If this proud nation votes Yes on Thursday, we will indeed get the politicians we deserve & they will be governing a divided nation. Welcome to the new Northern Ireland, without quite the same level of religious hatred.


Wish i never asked now :hahaha::hahaha:


No i see it from both sides only time will tell

[DazBlackCSL]

some updates in the mens room enough crap politics :whistle::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

That's better !

[Yanto]

That's better !

What were you saying about Scotland again ?????

[CSLScot]

Wish i never asked now :hahaha::hahaha:


No i see it from both sides only time will tell

Sorry Mark! I'll get off my soapbox......:whistle: Serious topic though & feelings running high.....:banghead:

[DazBlackCSL]

What were you saying about Scotland again ?????

I'm voting breasts

[chrisburns]

I actually cannot believe it has gone this far. If the YES vote wins is that it? game over no going back start building borders type of thing?

I can certainly see how it has came about. From my limited understanding 'The north' has had a rough ride for many many years.

Should it be a 'YES' whats the plans? theres a lot of money required every time the sun rises

[Mark CSL]

I actually cannot believe it has gone this far. If the YES vote wins is that it? game over no going back start building borders type of thing?

I can certainly see how it has came about. From my limited understanding 'The north' has had a rough ride for many many years.

Should it be a 'YES' whats the plans? there's a lot of money required every time the sun rises


Scotland is a wealthy country as i see it with Oil and Whisky being 2 of the biggest in the uk.

This is why the English government has hot footed out there office in London up here as it looks like we just might cut off there income ;)

All the crap from the banks and the supermarkets is crap if they can sell produce here they will stay its getting like kids at school if i cant play your not having my ball :hahaha:

[J13NY S]

Welcome to the new Northern Ireland, without quite the same level of religious hatred.

.... Interesting comment.

For the last couple of years I’ve been certain it would be a no vote as every Scot I’ve spoken to here or in Scotland have had very strong & articulately put views on why Scotland should remain part of the UK, however past few weeks looking at TV coverage I’m not so sure, will be very interesting to see which way it goes.

I’ve been on the fence until I seen one interview with Alex Salmond were he said Scotland had as much right to the UK Pound as the rest of us. Well I’m sorry boys, it isn’t a cake & eat scenario, you want to be independent you look about your own currency, same goes for NHS etc. etc.

As a proud Ulster man I have a fondness for Scotland & the best thing about the place is its people but you’ll have to think with the head & not the heart.

[glendog74]

There is so much risk associated with the SNP's Utopian fantasy land it's untrue. The Yes campaign has played (very well unfortunately) on the emotions of many people & Salmond is peddling so many promises he does not have control over. To me it has now reached a toxic mix of division & anti-English sentiment without any logical analysis of the cold hard facts. It's not scaremongering, nonsense or intimidation, it's reality. Here's the best, non-political & pragmatic summary I've read to date:

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland-s-decision-the-scotsman-s-verdict-1-3537857

If this proud nation votes Yes on Thursday, we will indeed get the politicians we deserve & they will be governing a divided nation. Welcome to the new Northern Ireland, without quite the same level of religious hatred.

I have to agree with that ^^^

One thing I find laughable is that they will not be allowing born and bred Scots who choose to live/work in England/Wales the right to vote to decide Scotland's future yet they will allow immigrants and asylum seekers who currently live in Scotland (or have only done so for a short time) the right to vote... Crazy!

There's way too much romaticism and 'Brave Heart' thinking in the 'Yes' camp which is clouding the facts and realities (many harsh) of a Scotland which gains independence.

Finally, as a proud member of Her Majesty's Armed Forces, I was rather bemused to hear that Salmond fully expects that assets from all three Services are handed over in order to establish his 'Scottish Defence Force' toy army... Bell end!

You go your own way - you can expect to pay your own way!

[shawn 968cs]

I am not into politics, I try to avoid it where I possibly can, but this potentially affects us all, so it’s important that we have some understanding, so can someone shed some light on this please?

Isle of Man has is independent and uses the Manx Pound / Sterling
If Scotland went independent, would/should it be much different to this in principle?

The Isle of Man Government (Manx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manx_language): Reiltys Ellan Vannin) is the government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government) of the Isle of Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Man). The formal head of the Isle of Man Government is the Lieutenant Governor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieutenant_Governor_of_the_Isle_of_Man), representing Queen Elizabeth II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II), Lord of Mann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_Mann). The executive head is the Chief Minister (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Minister_of_the_Isle_of_Man).
Douglas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas,_Isle_of_Man), the largest town on the Isle of Man is its capital (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_(political)) and seat of government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_of_government), where the Government offices and the parliament chambers (Tynwald (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tynwald)) are located.
The Civil Service has more than 2,000 employees and the total number of public sector employees including the Civil Service, teachers, nurses, police, etc. is about 9,000 people. This is somewhat more than 10% of the population of the Island, and a full 23% of the working population. This does not include any military (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military) forces, as defence is the responsibility of the United Kingdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom)

The Manx pound (Manx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manx_language): Punt Manninagh) is the currency of the Isle of Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Man), in parity with the pound sterling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_sterling).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manx_pound#cite_note-CA1992-1) The Manx pound is divided into 100 pence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny). Government notes and coins, denominated in pounds and pence, are issued by the Isle of Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Man_Government)

[shimmy]

I am not into politics, I try to avoid it where I possibly can, but this potentially affects us all, so it’s important that we have some understanding, so can someone shed some light on this please?

Isle of Man has is independent and uses the Manx Pound / Sterling
If Scotland went independent, would/should it be much different to this in principle?

The Isle of Man Government (Manx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manx_language): Reiltys Ellan Vannin) is the government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government) of the Isle of Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Man). The formal head of the Isle of Man Government is the Lieutenant Governor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieutenant_Governor_of_the_Isle_of_Man), representing Queen Elizabeth II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II), Lord of Mann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_Mann). The executive head is the Chief Minister (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Minister_of_the_Isle_of_Man).
Douglas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas,_Isle_of_Man), the largest town on the Isle of Man is its capital (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_(political)) and seat of government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_of_government), where the Government offices and the parliament chambers (Tynwald (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tynwald)) are located.
The Civil Service has more than 2,000 employees and the total number of public sector employees including the Civil Service, teachers, nurses, police, etc. is about 9,000 people. This is somewhat more than 10% of the population of the Island, and a full 23% of the working population. This does not include any military (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military) forces, as defence is the responsibility of the United Kingdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom)

The Manx pound (Manx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manx_language): Punt Manninagh) is the currency of the Isle of Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Man), in parity with the pound sterling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_sterling).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manx_pound#cite_note-CA1992-1) The Manx pound is divided into 100 pence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny). Government notes and coins, denominated in pounds and pence, are issued by the Isle of Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Man_Government)

They can have a currency that shadows the pound but that's not the same as having a currency that is the pound and having a say in how it is managed. Their currency will basically follow ours irrespective of how their economy does. Not good when things go bad as you cant devalue (if Scots are up shit creek and Brits are doing lubbly jubbly - or vice versa ).

[_Nathan_]

Best not to count on the oil...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/17/shetland-may-reconsider-place-scotland-yes-vote-alistair-carmichael

Lol

[Mark CSL]

.... Interesting comment.

one interview with Alex Salmond were he said Scotland had as much right to the UK Pound as the rest of us. Well I’m sorry boys, it isn’t a cake & eat scenario, you want to be independent you look about your own currency, same goes for NHS etc. etc.




The pound was a Scottish pound before England used it but as a country we can use any currency in the world.

[_Nathan_]

The pound was a Scottish pound before England used it but as a country we can use any currency in the world.

Indeed you can, but you cannot set your own interest rates or print money to manage inflation or alter the appeal of your exports.

[Mark CSL]

Best not to count on the oil...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/17/shetland-may-reconsider-place-scotland-yes-vote-alistair-carmichael

Lol

The English government told us all there was only 10 years oil in the north sea 40 years ago what they don't tell you is there is as much oil of the west coast of Scotland

There is also whiskey if all else fails we can all get pissed :thumbs:

[shimmy]

The pound was a Scottish pound before England used it but as a country we can use any currency in the world.

Indeed you can, but you cannot set your own interest rates or print money to manage inflation or alter the appeal of your exports.

indeed, far less control and influence than being part of the UK

[Yanto]

Waste of a thread this.

The answer will be NO.

Group hug.

[MarcM]

Waste of a thread this.

The answer will be NO.

Group hug.

Hopefully! Think an independent Scotland would become socialist, spend too much money supplying the neds with new tracksuits, big TV's and Sky. Then once the oil revenue runs out we'll go bust and have to be bailed out by Germany (the bosses of Europe).

I'm thinking of German names for my grand children. Quite like Hans as a tribute to Hans Stuck ;)

[3wheels3]

The pound was a Scottish pound before England used it but as a country we can use any currency in the world.

Have you seen what that can do to an economy?!?! I understand going all emo about it but really all risk and no reward imo. Would love to see what budget would look like with $50 oil?

[Mark CSL]

We shall see come Friday

My Vote is Yes

[shimmy]

I kinda hope its a YES.......as i haven't had a good laugh out load moment since the end of august :hahaha:

[glendog74]

I kinda hope its a YES.......as i haven't had a good laugh out load moment since the end of august :hahaha:

+1 ;)

[Yanto]

It'll be a NO.....

It's all media spin.

[Yanto]

Hopefully! Think an independent Scotland would become socialist, spend too much money supplying the neds with new tracksuits, big TV's and Sky. Then once the oil revenue runs out we'll go bust and have to be bailed out by China (the bosses of The world).

I'm thinking of Chinese names for my grand children. Quite like Xiang McLafferty ;)

EFA :thumbs:

[Yanto]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152352075769327

[Yanto]

Who's staying up then???

I heard tesco were out of Mars bars, Frys crisp n dry and Irn Bru...

[rstoughy]

Who's staying up then???

Fuck that, vote done at tea time so off to bed and will see what it is at breakfast tomorrow :smokin:

[Mark CSL]

Yes we shall see tomorrow love the video Yanto :hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

[Mark CSL]

Well the Votes are in we are all still part of the UK

It should however make the MPs think more about the Scotland in there decisions more i wonder if HS2 will come to Glasgow now :hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha: