Michelin Cup 2 (two)

[alexk]

Has anyone tried the Michelin Cup 2 ?

Any news/feedback/laptimes ?

[Clubber]

Has anyone tried the Michelin Cup 2 ?

Any news/feedback/laptimes ?

I wanted to order them but Michelin told me they don't have our rear tire size :(

[The JC]

I wanted to order them but Michelin told me they don't have our rear tire size :(

I know that 265/30-19 is the preferred, but will a 265/35-19 not work?

http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/michelin/pilot-sport-cup-2/265-35-zr19-98y-269619

[Clubber]

I know that 265/30-19 is the preferred, but will a 265/35-19 not work?

http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/michelin/pilot-sport-cup-2/265-35-zr19-98y-269619

Technical wizards will chime in here but I think that would upset general settings and balance of the car. Might even result in some rubbing with coilover setups.

[Alx]

I think a friend has tried them on his M3 GTS, but he now swears by the Yokohama Advan Neova:

http://media.unitedfuture-yoko.com.s3.amazonaws.com/1372698438-3Q_large.jpg

http://www.yokohamatire.com/tires/detail/advan_neova_ad08_r

Has anyone tried them?

Cheers,
Alex

[cslsuperfan]

Has anyone tried the Michelin Cup 2 ?

Any news/feedback/laptimes ?

Are Michelin claiming an improvement over the current cups?

[alexk]

I think a friend has tried them on his M3 GTS, but he now swears by the Yokohama Advan Neova:

http://media.unitedfuture-yoko.com.s3.amazonaws.com/1372698438-3Q_large.jpg

http://www.yokohamatire.com/tires/detail/advan_neova_ad08_r

Has anyone tried them?

Cheers,
Alex

Your friend needs to learn to driver better :whistle:

[Equinox]

When I decide on a final colour for my 18 inch square set up i will be running Yokohama AD08 too

[AlexGTT]

The 35 profile don't look perfect although I found out a few years ago that size perfectly corrects the standard speedo reading (they're usually 5% out)

Do they supply 275 section in 30 profile? If so, wouldn't those work?

I've been told by GT3 drivers that the Cup 2 is an improvement but I wonder if they mean over the Cup+, which is crap.

I will stay with Cups. Well enough proven, the only tyre for the CSL.:smt055

[Alx]

Your friend needs to learn to driver better :whistle:

You were there on the same week-end?

[alexk]

You were there on the same week-end?

I don't know which weekend you are referring too, but I was in contact with him some time ago to do a fair and friendly comparison of the special BMWs and he said the car is not his (his father's) plus he is only interested in Touristenfahrten at the Nordschleife and not in any other racetracks anymore.
My assumption was that at the age of 19, driving for 1 year, he got fed up of all other tracks.

[Clubber]

Are Michelin claiming an improvement over the current cups?

The biggest compliment I hear from Cup 2 users is thread life. Some said It lasts almost twice as Cups. Which would be a huge decision maker for me as our Istanbul Park F1 circuit is a tyre eater.
Wet handling is also said to be better.

[cslsuperfan]

The biggest compliment I hear from Cup 2 users is thread life. Some said It lasts almost twice as Cups. Which would be a huge decision maker for me as our Istanbul Park F1 circuit is a tyre eater.
Wet handling is also said to be better.


Twice as long....Michelin may really dent their sales!!

[billyboysm3]

Every article I read or crap YouTube video I have seen only compares them to cup+.

I doubt there will be much difference between the cup and this.

Might aswell stockpile the cups off tyre leader in advance.

[Clubber]

Every article I read or crap YouTube video I have seen only compares them to cup+.

I doubt there will be much difference between the cup and this.

Might aswell stockpile the cups off tyre leader in advance.

I wouldn't know about that but it somehow seems possible for Cup2 to be superior in many ways as 12 years is a lot of R&D time for improvement.

[alexk]

I wouldn't know about that but it somehow seems possible for Cup2 to be superior in many ways as 12 years is a lot of R&D time for improvement.

<coughs>

I think we need to take into account the eco-green requirements of the EU today, fuel consumption, noise etc etc
The original cup made for the CSL had no such compromises, it was all about grip and lightweight and nothing else (i.e. low temperatures, drag, noise, rain driving).

Some times things advance. Other times... not.
Look at the new M3/M4, fantastic machines but they are 1600+ kg !
You would expect that in 2014 they would be able to get them to 1500kg (like an E36 M3 3.2 with all extras), wouldn't you ?

[AlexGTT]

Wet handling is a vast improvement but I'm very sure the comparisons most are making are with the Cup+ which we all know is nothing like the performance of the Cup. These new cup 2's are also designed with efficiency/economy (as Alex mentioned above) and weight in mind. When I think of all that, there's no way they'll perform like a Cup. If it's not wearing it's not gripping.

[shimmy]

Wet handling is a vast improvement but I'm very sure the comparisons most are making are with the Cup+ which we all know is nothing like the performance of the Cup. These new cup 2's are also designed with efficiency/economy (as Alex mentioned above) and weight in mind. When I think of all that, there's no way they'll perform like a Cup. If it's not wearing it's not gripping.

And with the new EU directive on road noise.

[terryb]

I had a good chat with a Michelin techy guy at Silverstone this week. No data comparing 2s to the original Cups, but as already stated a vast improvement over Cup+

I would say that if your driving is mainly track and you want to be chasing lap times then the original Cup maybe slightly faster, but if you're not chasing ultimate lap times and want a tyre that is great I track but also much improved on the road and in the wet then the Cup+ would be worth a try.

I use Cups on the GT3, but will try Cup+ next time - especially taking into account driving to the Ring, etc :)

Also to add they are planning on a wide range of sizes for these and will be available from your local ATS garage as they are owned by Michelin and often have good discounts available.

[shimmy]

Sorry I don't chase laptimes so im happy with Nangkangs

[alexk]

Sorry I don't chase laptimes so im happy with Nangkangs

+1

[terryb]

Sorry I don't chase laptimes so im happy with Nangkangs

Twat :blalalala:

[Clubber]

I put my name on the list at my tyre shop to have the first set of Cup2 when they are produced in our rear size. Also, I am thinking of getting Pirelli Trofeo R, many modified (800HP+) Porsche owners I know swear by it.

[Heisenburg]

I put my name on the list at my tyre shop to have the first set of Cup2 when they are produced in our rear size.

Got this from Michelin (UK) today...rears are a while away yet;

Future products:
265/30 ZR19 (93Y) EXTRA LOAD TL Pilot Sport Cup 2 planned launch April 2015
235/35 ZR19 (91Y) EXTRA LOAD TL Pilot Sport Cup 2 planned launch July 2014

[alexk]

Very high weight ratings for the CSL though.

[Clubber]

Got this from Michelin (UK) today...rears are a while away yet;

Future products:
265/30 ZR19 (93Y) EXTRA LOAD TL Pilot Sport Cup 2 planned launch April 2015
235/35 ZR19 (91Y) EXTRA LOAD TL Pilot Sport Cup 2 planned launch July 2014

That's bad news :(
Although the fronts are available at the moment.

[Heisenburg]

Might aswell stockpile the cups off tyre leader in advance.

Billy, are Cups coming to the end of the line?

[alexk]

Did someone try the cup 2 on track and compared it to original cup tyres ?

[alexk]

no one ?

[alexk]

The CSL size is now available at 265/30/19.

Is anyone going to try it anytime soon ?
It would be good to understand if it's an improvement or not so as we can stock up tyres or not ;)

[Clubber]

The CSL size is now available at 265/30/19.

Is anyone going to try it anytime soon ?
It would be good to understand if it's an improvement or not so as we can stock up tyres or not ;)

Great news, where did you get that info ? Did they come up with 265/35/18 too for square setup users ?

[Das Chin]

some of the GT3 boys really really rate them and they are noticeably better than the old cup tyres in all conditions.

especially damp and wet if a little cold where the old cups were 'entertaining'.

the Cup 2 is not as good as the Trofeo R on track as that is marginally faster.

its the way I am going for my GT3 once the current once are fubarred.

[alexk]

Great news, where did you get that info ? Did they come up with 265/35/18 too for square setup users ?

reifendirekt

some of the GT3 boys really really rate them and they are noticeably better than the old cup tyres in all conditions.

especially damp and wet if a little cold where the old cups were 'entertaining'.

the Cup 2 is not as good as the Trofeo R on track as that is marginally faster.

its the way I am going for my GT3 once the current once are fubarred.

I am not interested in damp and wet conditions.
I only care about performance in the racetrack.
The porsche crew often compare to the cup+ which is inferior to the original cup.
Thats why I dont know and I keep asking.

[conleth m3]

hi alex



i've tried a few different versions of cups, on different cars so not able to directly compare but can tell you what ive found, here goes, i apologise for the long winded response but will try and make it as simple as i can



short answer - yes get the cup2's but lower the pressures - lower than cup1's



long answer

ive used original cups on both csl and e46m3 are awesome, as you'll know. correct load rating 87y or 89y i think?



cups used by porsche owners are not the same as the cup+ that are inferior - the e92 m3 bmw fitment, 93/94 speed rating


although they are often marketed as cup+ and printed on the sidewall - on 305 rears but not 235 fronts


n rated cups and cup+ pattern is just a 19inch thing as far as i know, if you order 18inch cups there is no different tread pattern or N rating,


specific cups for porsche are N rated. in 19inch size have a different tread pattern - for 235 section fronts. this has the wider 3 grooves. they are very similar to bmw spec csl original cups, as long as they are the correct 87y speed rating. or 89y rating for the 245/35/19 - as per 997.2 gt3rs


cup+ that ive tried are 245/35/19 section fronts and 265/35/19 rears and have a 93/94 speed rating. on an e46m3. they have the extra groove in the tread pattern. they dont feel like original cups, are more like a road tyre -PS2 - with the cup tread pattern. using these on the ring i've found they feel more like a road tyre for how much grip they have, dont feel like an 'R' tyre - cup/888/trofeo etc


the rears (ive used 305/30/19 (89y - i think) on the gt3) are called cup+ (on the sidewall as well) they have the extra groove in the tread. these are awesome and offer the same grip as original cups on the csl

ive had cup2's fitted to the gt3 since the end of last summer. they feel great. done 4 trackdays in them and have found them to be as good as original cup1's. lap times at least as good (slightly better - but might not be completely down to the tyres) feel like they offer the same level of grip but as its taken a few days to get the pressures right i think they may have better grip overall.

spoke to a michelin guy providing tyre support at a trackday, who suggested running them lower than cup1's.

on the gt3 i ran cup1's at 33psi 36psi rear hot. even 1-2 psi higher or lower felt less grip/less stable. he suggested ~31psi all round. though i have heard from other gt3 owners between 30-33psi works best. ive settled on 31/32 front and 33psi rear hot - which feels great

they are better in the wet than cup1's, still not fantastic though. but wouldnt expect, or really mind that much.

wear is much better. my current set has are less than half worn. so i expect 8-9 trackdays with road milage inbetween. i was getting about 6 days on cup1's on the gt3

hth

conleth

[alexk]

hi conleth

Great feedback, many thanks!
Exactly what I wanted to hear to be honest.
My next set will be cup2s and then I can also do a direct comparison on the CSL.

[conleth m3]

no probs alex, glad its useful! :thumbs:

[Clubber]

They just added 265/35/18 track sizes too. Perfect timing for the season. Will try them once the cups are worn out.

[Clubber]

I didn't try them personally but I recently had a long discussion with some engineers from both michelin and pirelli and they all summed up the Cup2 as the best street/track tire at the moment. Heats up faster for ease of daily use and better wet traction but for dry track use original Cups are still the ultimate Michelin.

Although that doesn't say it is the ultimate semi-slick. I also met and discussed with a few racing teams and highly modded record car owners that the ultimate semi-slick track tire is Pirelli Trofeo R. This is coming from teams whom used them all, tried Cup2 when it came out but quickly returned to Trofeo R.

They are a little on the expensive side but thanks to the production being here in Turkey makes them a tiny bit cheaper than their global prices.

I'll try to make the most of my cups this summer but when the weather cools down during autumn which is when we get our best times, I'll have a go with these highly regarded Trofeo R's.

[alexk]

Trying the Trofeo R is in my to-do list.
It's damn expensive though...

[knoxville]

Ran a set of Cup2's 265 all round 18" setup at Croft recently. Not great in terms of outright grip but lots of fun even with getting black flagged. They handled the rain soaked drive back down the A1 well enough though.

I've never ran on any other cups but the way people rave about them I can only assume these cup 2's are nowhere near as good. Not bad for 600 sheets but by no means up there with the DZ03.

[Pooky]

I've been chatting to the Cup tyre engineer at Michelin who has explained:


'On front axle for M3 E46 CSL, you need 235/35 R19 ---> this size is available on PS CUP2, I recommande you Porsche spec (with N0 marking)

For rear axle, 265/30 R19 PS CUP2 is available on the market since April of this year

Main benefits are :
- Lap time (PS CUP2 is faster than old PS CUP ---> ex: ~ 2 second faster over 5 laps on Jerez track on a 911-GT3)
- Dry constancy (you keep our lap time constancy longer than old PS Cup)
- Longer life on track (minimum +50% extra laps compared to old PS Cup)
- Better in term of wet performance (wet grip + delay aquaplaning)'

Cup2s for me then I think when I need new tyres.

[Mike R]

Has anyone actually tried these yet, as all the people I have spoken to who have, say they are actually WORSE than CSL style Cups?

[billyboysm3]

Has anyone actually tried these yet, as all the people I have spoken to who have, say they are actually WORSE than CSL style Cups?

Mine are on rims and aiming to do snetterton on 16th sept. I have used cup1's there so no the crack.

[knoxville]

Has anyone actually tried these yet, as all the people I have spoken to who have, say they are actually WORSE than CSL style Cups?

Post #40. Talk to your mate Ben, he had some laps round as a passenger. I've got full video from the day but my net connection out here is almost non existent!

[Mike R]

Post #40. Talk to your mate Ben, he had some laps round as a passenger. I've got full video from the day but my net connection out here is almost non existent!

I know, but you said you haven't tried OE Cups to be able to know for sure a direct comparison :blalalala:.

[knoxville]

I know, but you said you haven't tried OE Cups to be able to know for sure a direct comparison :blalalala:.

If Cup2's are better than Cup1's, then Cup1's must be equivalent to Nankangs...

[Mike R]

If Cup2's are better than Cup1's, then Cup1's must be equivalent to Nankangs...

That good :bigcry: :hahaha:!?

[alexk]

My problem right now is that I need front tyres (rears still ok) and it's tempting to put CUP 2... but who knows how the car will drive :whistle:

[Trawler]

Has anyone actually tried these yet, as all the people I have spoken to who have, say they are actually WORSE than CSL style Cups?

I have fitted cup 2s. Not covered many miles but here are my first impressions over full fat cups.
When staring out over the first mile there is more rear grip. No wheel spin on the usual gentle incline pulling out of a junction or untoward oversteer. Attended a track day, but was not a true test as always came in after one lap, stopped and then out again. Don't think tyres up to temp. Wear definitely better, but front end turn in did did not feel as good & tyres felt hard not biting into the track. To me they feel like a better Michelin super sport. I need more miles under my belt, but given the choice I would go for the full fat version on the few hundred miles I have driven.

[billyboysm3]

I have fitted cup 2s. Not covered many miles but here are my first impressions over full fat cups.
When staring out over the first mile there is more rear grip. No wheel spin on the usual gentle incline pulling out of a junction or untoward oversteer. Attended a track day, but was not a true test as always came in after one lap, stopped and then out again. Don't think tyres up to temp. Wear definitely better, but front end turn in did did not feel as good & tyres felt hard not biting into the track. To me they feel like a better Michelin super sport. I need more miles under my belt, but given the choice I would go for the full fat version on the few hundred miles I have driven.

I doubt they even got heat into them.

[Pooky]

As a chassis engineer, and given discussions I've had with the Michelin tyre engineers and the data I've seen, I love the pure subjective completely non scientific speculating conclusions.

As yet nobody has done a proper back to back to test of laptime, wear etc. etc. on a CSL, of the right spec of tyre, and so on.

So until they have all you can do is use the data that does exist to try to suggest what the result might be.

[Trawler]

I doubt they even got heat into them.

Yes, even if the temp was 28 deg C. One of the hottest days of the year.

[Trawler]

As a chassis engineer, and given discussions I've had with the Michelin tyre engineers and the data I've seen, I love the pure subjective completely non scientific speculating conclusions.

As yet nobody has done a proper back to back to test of laptime, wear etc. etc. on a CSL, of the right spec of tyre, and so on.

So until they have all you can do is use the data that does exist to try to suggest what the result might be.

I doubt that will ever happen. I'm not good enough to have consistent lap times let alone set times on different tyres. What I can judge is how the car feels/behaves. Has anyone done a comparison of times using run flats? Anyone that has driven on run flats can tell the difference without a stop watch. I'm no track day warrior but prefer the feel of the old cups

[billyboysm3]

Someone can borrow my square set up 265 35 18's cup 2's

or Mike could put them on his CSL at Snetterton, back to back

[Mike R]

Someone can borrow my square set up 265 35 18's cup 2's

or Mike could put them on his CSL at Snetterton, back to back

At this point, that may not happen until next year, as I received notification from Sycamore BMW today that BMW Gmbh have rejected the latest batch of CSL cams, so I have no idea when they are coming :(.

[billyboysm3]

At this point, that may not happen until next year, as I received notification from Sycamore BMW today that BMW Gmbh have rejected the latest batch of CSL cams, so I have no idea when they are coming :(.

JOKE!!!!!!

Dirty perv john has some cups I can borrow.

[billyboysm3]

On a serious note make sure they put your car on a transporter back to yours.

[Mike R]

On a serious note make sure they put your car on a transporter back to yours.

It's being kept inside their workshop - I expressly asked for this after what you told me.

[alexk]

Guys I can do this testing for you if you sponsor me a set :)

I see everyone's scared to pull the trigger on a set being afraid to have less performant tyres.

[cslsuperfan]

Guys I can do this testing for you if you sponsor me a set :)

I see everyone's scared to pull the trigger on a set being afraid to have less performant tyres.


Alex

I can say with considerable confidence I am not scared in the slightest of exceeding the performance envelope of old school cups. If I can muster 70% I'd be overjoyed.

I am more likely to run a marathon in 2 hours!!;)

[Clubber]

As I said earlier in this thread, many people prefer the Cup1 over cup2 on various type of cars, rwd,awd etc. but some like the Cup2 more too so its a mixed reaction but there is no doubt or mixed comment anyone whom used Trofeo R, everyone says its the quickest and best semi slick you can buy today. Which will be my next set of track tires.

[billyboysm3]

Decided to sell my cup2 today. Never used, going cage and slicks route as didn't fancy being disappointed.

[alexk]

Spoke to Martin today and decided that the next set will be again the original Cup.

[knoxville]

Lap of Croft on said tyres.

https://youtu.be/ps6qksDpPUc

[Clubber]

Looked like they were not so grippy. Was that the case ?

[alexk]

Lap of Croft on said tyres.

https://youtu.be/ps6qksDpPUc

So what is the outcome ?
Laptime of cup 2 vs original cup ?

[Trawler]

For all you non track warriors I'm finding the cup 2s fine on the road. Very very loud on certain roads. All dry miles to date (approx 1100 miles)

[shane@mbtech]

So what is the outcome ?
Laptime of cup 2 vs original cup ?

Gav looked more out of control on the cup 2, than my e92 did on cup + at the same circuit

I know Gav can drive too, so definitely cup 2 not up to the task.

[3wheels3]

With very limited experience (& ability!) I'd say they take bit longer to get up to temp, bit more progressive and may be not as quite as grippy. But seemed to last ok and reportedly better in wet but I haven't pushed them in wet as yet. I'd guess they're well ahead of Cup+ though. Be interesting to see same day comparison.

[Mike R]

A friend has also now tested them and his views are they are good for a very limited window (like the Toyo R888s), in that they go off very quickly. Once they get too hot, grip is much reduced (as per Gav's vid). They don't come back again until allowed to cool off. So although they may be a better road tyre than the original Cups, they are a much worse track tyre.

[billyboysm3]

Nice Video Gav and well driven.

So if Cup2 are 2 seconds quicker than Cup+ maybe cup1 are 2 seconds quicker than Cup2.

Looks like they allow plenty of fun.

Actually WTF do I know, gone for slicks.

[shane@mbtech]

With very limited experience (& ability!) I'd say they take bit longer to get up to temp, bit more progressive and may be not as quite as grippy. But seemed to last ok and reportedly better in wet but I haven't pushed them in wet as yet. I'd guess they're well ahead of Cup+ though. Be interesting to see same day comparison.

You talking about the pork wheels?

If so it's hard to compare to e46, 888 on e46 were crap, but they worked great with the 3ft wide rear tyre on the 996 gt3 sticky had:beer:

[3wheels3]

Yeah on pork so not to compare too directly and take things into account like chassis/suspension. Reckon that's how most would find them on e46 so would be reasonable if you were ok leaving the last 0.1s on the table in exchange for better wet. Don't know but think they'd last ok. Did Spa/Zolder and it was hot. As I said be real interesting same day comparison.

[alexk]

It would be good if knoxville would tell us his laptimes with cup and cup 2.

[shane@mbtech]

It would be good if knoxville would tell us his laptimes with cup and cup 2.

He's not used cups Alex

[shane@mbtech]

Yeah on pork so not to compare too directly and take things into account like chassis/suspension. Reckon that's how most would find them on e46 so would be reasonable if you were ok leaving the last 0.1s on the table in exchange for better wet. Don't know but think they'd last ok. Did Spa/Zolder and it was hot. As I said be real interesting same day comparison.

I smashed stickys gt3 around Anglesey on 888 and gripped stayed. On e46 they go like mush after 2 laps. Just purely down to car design and weight distribution

Off topic, you still loving the beastie ?

[alexk]

Does anyone have any laptimes / comparison yet ?

[shimmy]

No but by Spa Time next year we should get some Cup2 and Dunlops between us and do back to back tests

[billyboysm3]

Do not bother with cup 2, I went out in grants caged m3 at snetterton
Yesterday after going in johns m3 on original cups.

Unless you like going sideways the cup2 grip just isn't there after a few laps.

He was losing the back end round riches, bomb hole and coram.

I'd say, better than a road tyre but way off original cups if you want to push the car.

If your after lap times your need dunlops or try to see if the new pirellis are any good. I know Lawsy is trying these in a couple or weeks.

[Mike R]

Do not bother with cup 2, I went out in grants caged m3 at snetterton
Yesterday after going in johns m3 on original cups.

Unless you like going sideways the cup2 grip just isn't there after a few laps.

He was losing the back end round riches, bomb hole and coram.

I'd say, better than a road tyre but way off original cups if you want to push the car.

If your after lap times your need dunlops or try to see if the new pirellis are any good. I know Lawsy is trying these in a couple or weeks.


Told you :p ;).

[lee]

So is that the end of the cup 1 as we know it they are going over to the cup 2 now

Will have to stock up on cups of that's the case

[alexk]

If we continue buying, they will still make the original cup.

[shimmy]

If we continue buying, they will still make the original cup.

no


all to do with Eco Euro noise and MPG, no chance

[alexk]

no


all to do with Eco Euro noise and MPG, no chance

Doubt it...

[lee]

no


all to do with Eco Euro noise and MPG, no chance


I did think that going to have to stock up on them now as love them on track

And by the sounds of it the cup 2 is not the same but then they are good enough for the P1

[billyboysm3]

You cannot find the 18's anywhere

[shimmy]

You cannot find the 18's anywhere

think they are gone now

[O'Neill]

Dz03 are better than cup 1

[lee]

Dz03 are better than cup 1

Yes they look good but I still run std CSL rims I don't think they make the Dz03 in that size so may have to think about a set of rims for track work when the cups runout

[O'Neill]

Yes they look good but I still run std CSL rims I don't think they make the Dz03 in that size so may have to think about a set of rims for track work when the cups runout

Just buy some cheep 18" m3 wheels et 26/18" 9" wide x4. 10mm spacer in the rear.

[lee]

Just buy some cheep 18" m3 wheels et 26/18" 9" wide x4. 10mm spacer in the rear.

Yes sounds like a plan what size tyre do you run on the 18" rim

[O'Neill]

Yes sounds like a plan what size tyre do you run on the 18" rim

265/35/18. All four wheels. It will numb the steering ( my opinion ) but give more grip.

[shimmy]

Dz03 are better athan cup 1

well find out at Spa in april

[O'Neill]

well find out at Spa in april

I'll be on a048 or avon zzr 195/50/16 in Lucy. I'll take csl if yours is standard as in exhaust, wheels, interior and brakes:)

[shimmy]

I'll be on a048 or avon zzr 195/50/16 in Lucy. I'll take csl if yours is standard as in exhaust, wheels, interior and brakes:)

will be good to see Lucy ;)

[O'Neill]

will be good to see Lucy ;)
Go oem, the technicians at bmw couldn't understand why some had chaved their csl to go faster;)

[O'Neill]

Come on.. You did a 2:49 at spa in a standard csl other that brakes and intrax. :) :)

[alexk]

I cannot run 18s due to the size of the brakes :banghead:

[shimmy]

Come on.. You did a 2:49 at spa in a standard csl other that brakes and intrax. :) :)

and with a weight penalty :0

[billyboysm3]

Shimmy, you reckon you've still got it to lap at that speed?

[shimmy]

Shimmy, you reckon you've still got it to lap at that speed?

Age (and weight) is creeping up and working against me now. Luckily absence of Cup tyres may save my blushes, and also luckily O'Neill isn't as quick as 83SY, even though he says Dunlops are quicker!

[billyboysm3]

So someone has to buy some 03G's and give it a go.

[shimmy]

So someone has to buy some 03G's and give it a go.

if someone buys them for Spa we can do a swap at lunchtime and see the difference

[cslsuperfan]

Come on.. You did a 2:49 at spa in a standard csl other that brakes and intrax. :) :)

Shim also did a sub 3 minute lap with 16 stone passenger ballast :smokin:

on a drying track.

[billyboysm3]

Really good race team competition there with shimmy and barry.

I'm looking forward to some testing with them next year:

What car is everyone taking?

[alexk]

Has anyone concluded what is the difference between original cup and cup 2?

Same setup, same track... what is the laptime difference ?

[toenheel]

I've just ordered a set of cup 2's for the CSL today. Currently on super sports and wanted something a bit more sticky.

[shimmy]

chatting to pinkpanther today about tyres at Brands Hatch, watching the M3Cup boys slide around on the Nangkangs, me thinks they go off pretty quickly

So we decided that if everybody buys me a set fo Nangkangs, set of Cup2 and Dunlops Dzo3g, ill do a controlled test at spa :thumbs:

[Bounce]

All said and done ,you can't really beat original cups

[cslsuperfan]

chatting to pinkpanther today about tyres at Brands Hatch, watching the M3Cup boys slide around on the Nangkangs, me thinks they go off pretty quickly

So we decided that if everybody buys me a set fo Nangkangs, set of Cup2 and Dunlops Dzo3g, ill do a controlled test at spa :thumbs:


Look forward to the wash up!!

[billyboysm3]

From my first drive on Dunlop 03g on the road, mixed conditions from cold I'd say they are better than cups. Had grip straight away, didn't feel heavy and was able to push harder.

At Snetterton on Wednesday so will probably rain.

They look bloody awesome on the car.

[billyboysm3]

Mounted

http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af121/billyboysm3/CF0AB4A6-96ED-48C1-B5C1-BB19B4BFFE49_zpsfhbxagm5.jpg

http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af121/billyboysm3/741DDFED-90D2-44E0-A7CA-7DAAD4B31118_zpsiqz2iv0b.jpg

[Bounce]

From my first drive on Dunlop 03g on the road, mixed conditions from cold I'd say they are better than cups. Had grip straight away, didn't feel heavy and was able to push harder.

At Snetterton on Wednesday so will probably rain.

They look bloody awesome on the car.Deffo rain if your there Billy :bigcry:

[billyboysm3]

Deffo rain if your there Billy :bigcry:

Yep all day!!!

[alexk]

I now have a new set of Cup 2s in CSL sizes mounted.
I will do a scientific comparison between original CSL Cup and Cup 2 at Anneau du Rhin and Monza.

The Cup 2 is certainly wider and sitting wider in the rims.

[shimmy]

I now have a new set of Cup 2s in CSL sizes mounted.
I will do a scientific comparison between original CSL Cup and Cup 2 at Anneau du Rhin and Monza.

The Cup 2 is certainly wider and sitting wider in the rims.

Interested to know Alex, or I will buy the Dunlops next

[Mike R]

Interested to know Alex, or I will buy the Dunlops next

If you're on 18s, the Dunlops are even better than normal Cups grip wise anyway (noisier though, but if for track use, you won't notice)

[breeze]

Resurrecting an old thread... what was the definitive conclusion on these?

[shimmy]

We used 18inch pDunlop’s on the E46 race car and they worked really well. I have two used sets I’m about to sell if anybody wants them, Both sets have some decent life left and one set only used in one race

[breeze]

Just bought a set in OEM CSL sizes. Will provide road feedback when they are fitted. Unlikely that I will do track any time soon.

[Trawler]

Just bought a set in OEM CSL sizes. Will provide road feedback when they are fitted. Unlikely that I will do track any time soon.

Be careful with standing water. They are still useless.
Can't comment for track, but subjectively I preferred the original.

[breeze]

Be careful with standing water. They are still useless.
Can't comment for track, but subjectively I preferred the original.

Fitted shortly after I posted in 2018. The car still hasn’t been anywhere near a track and it hasn't’ even been out in the rain either. :hahaha:

Not really much to go on! As a road tyre in the dry they have been absolutely fine and are obviously on the sticky side. To be honest, the main reason that I fitted them was because Cups (admittedly the originals) are a big part of the CSL legend.

Have noticed they now do a Cup 2 R. Would be good to see how they compare.

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Fitted shortly after I posted in 2018. The car still hasn’t been anywhere near a track and it hasn't’ even been out in the rain either. :hahaha:

Not really much to go on! As a road tyre in the dry they have been absolutely fine and are obviously on the sticky side. To be honest, the main reason that I fitted them was because Cups (admittedly the originals) are a big part of the CSL legend.

Have noticed they now do a Cup 2 R. Would be good to see how they compare.

Cup 2s are brilliant on track, you can really throw the car around :thumbs:

[outnumbered]

My car currently has MPSS fitted, manufacture date Nov 2010... They were feeling a bit wooden, and now one of the rears has a nail in, so it's a good excuse to replace the whole set.

My car is fair weather road use only and only does max of 2K miles a year. So I could just put Cup 2s on it. Looks like I can get a set fitted for £800-850 at Costco this month which seems decent value.

The other obvious choice would be the Pilot Sport 4S, but the rear fitment in 265/30 seems to be unavailable at the moment.

What do you reckon guys ? Are there any downsides to the Cup 2 as a road tyre for fine weather use ?

[Chad]

I’ve got them on at the moment , seem fine obviously I don’t think they will last as long as s4 But if your only doing a few miles a year why not. Seems a great price,,:smokin:

[alexk]

hello

What tyre pressures are you running on track with cup 2s ?

thanks