View Full Version : anyone running Cup's yet?
on there daily drive ? just checking - im itching to put mine on :-D snow seems to have gone now
DazBlackCSL
12-02-2009, 04:52 PM
Very soon :whistle:
Andyk
12-02-2009, 05:39 PM
Can you use them all year round it you drive with care. When I test drove my first CSL in was November and wet and the car had Cups on. It felt OK and Edward Lovett (Dick Lovett) didn't half give it some.
Mark CSL
12-02-2009, 07:24 PM
Ask CSLGIRL :whistle:
AlexGTT
12-02-2009, 07:28 PM
Yet!!! I have them on all year round. Don't do much mileage in the Winter, which might explain why. Snow last March in Germany was fun. :bigcry: :hahaha:
cslgirl
12-02-2009, 08:39 PM
Ask CSLGIRL :whistle:
LOL
I have only ever run on cups apart from 1 set of PS2's which I had on there when I bought the csl but then they came with the M3 19". Its not a daily drive but I have driven in nearly all weathers (except snow) and as long as you are careful I have found they are fine.
The worst weather I drove in was on the way back from Llandow at night in the pissing rain and the M4 had standing water on some parts but I was still going along at the speed limit (or thereabouts... :whistle:) and had no problem with any aquaplaning or feeling like it was going to get out of control. As long as you are smooth with the throttle you will/should be fine... :-D
Andyk
12-02-2009, 08:44 PM
Same as the Yoko A048's that I had on my Lotus Exiges...people were always asking if they were lethal in the wet but you just drive to the conditions...I never had an issue with them.
bryce
12-02-2009, 08:51 PM
Makes complete sense, just drive according the the conditions. ie your tyres and weather.
I drive like a pussy in the wet/winter, so once Im on Cups, that'll prob be me forever :-D Couldnt justify additional tyres for 4months (winter) / 500miles.
Andyk
12-02-2009, 09:21 PM
Thats made my mind up. Once the Conti's have given up the ghost a set of cups I think.
bryce
12-02-2009, 10:03 PM
Good man :beer:
Ever had Cups Andy?
Andyk
12-02-2009, 11:05 PM
No....but the legal cut slicks developed by Yoko for Lotus, that has been on some of the Lotus I've owned, are the same would imagine. Did test drive a CSL with them on though.
dave1
13-02-2009, 12:52 AM
EXIGE :gayfight:
right there on :thumbs: fitted this morning although the tyre fitter caught one of the rims :moan:
dave1
14-02-2009, 07:41 PM
oh dear there's another post pub post i did'nt know id done eek!
Andyk
14-02-2009, 08:11 PM
See told you Dave...... :whistle: ... :-D
dave1
14-02-2009, 08:27 PM
going pub in a min as it goes will try not to log in when i get home :whistle:
SpineOnABap
14-02-2009, 08:29 PM
I gave up running Cups but I may put some on when these PS2 are gone.
The expense is just plain silly when the rears only last 1500 miles ......... well, with my angles of attack ...... :-D
Other than the life-span / expense they're fine any time of year really (PS2 are just as rubbish in snow anyway).
Andyk
14-02-2009, 08:30 PM
Don't get too drunk Dave as I need you to take those hoses off tomorrow..... :-D :-D :whistle: :banghead: :hahaha:
dave1
14-02-2009, 08:52 PM
mate it's going to happen im out with my matlowe mate he drink's for england :beer:
anyway ive done one side cant rush these thing's
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/7428/13022009302qo0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
bryce
14-02-2009, 08:55 PM
mmm :notworthy:
Andyk
14-02-2009, 09:19 PM
That looks the dogs Dave.... :smt055
glendog74
14-02-2009, 09:28 PM
anyway ive done one side cant rush these thing's
Looks coooooool! :beer:
SpineOnABap
14-02-2009, 09:53 PM
Better put the other bolts in though... :thumbs:
Will not be runing PS2's again! Cups all the way! :thumbs:
Andyk
15-02-2009, 07:04 AM
going pub in a min as it goes will try not to log in when i get home :whistle:
Expected to see Daves name by every thread this morning with a Gayfight smiles buy each one....you resisted then Dave.....Did you try to turn on the tiolet and pee in on the computer when you got home.... :drinkers: :partyman: :smt030 :vom:
sailorbaz
15-02-2009, 08:48 AM
I bought mine with PS2's on 3 years ago and HAD to try the Cups...WOW! Totally transformed the car, was so pointy and go-kart-like, it was fantastic.
However, since mine is a daily drive (When on Terra firma of course) and after a couple of bad experiences in wet on nearly done Cups, I run 'normal' road tyres now. All this talk of Cups though is making me wanna out another set on just to remind me how good the car can be.
dave1
15-02-2009, 12:54 PM
going pub in a min as it goes will try not to log in when i get home :whistle:
Expected to see Daves name by every thread this morning with a Gayfight smiles buy each one....you resisted then Dave.....Did you try to turn on the tiolet and pee in on the computer when you got home.... :drinkers: :partyman: :smt030 :vom:
i think i tried to log in when i got home at 3am (hardcore) but it was,nt happening :119:
got a bad head and an empty pocket today and a tongue like ghandi's flip flop
bryce
15-02-2009, 02:05 PM
So are these Cups really that good?? (vs PS2's - which I think are immense)
So are these Cups really that good?? (vs PS2's - which I think are immense)
Yes get them on the car was built for them! :beer:
Mark CSL
15-02-2009, 04:46 PM
So are these Cups really that good?? (vs PS2's - which I think are immense)
You shall see on sat at knockhill if its dry me and derek will have the CUPS on :thumbs:
bryce
15-02-2009, 04:53 PM
:thumbs:
SpineOnABap
15-02-2009, 05:06 PM
Once they're at their optimum operating temp there's no comparison. Dry grip is immense - leagues, worlds, solar systems, galaxies ahead of PS2 :-D
I've seen 1.5G on the data logger
shimmy
15-02-2009, 05:15 PM
most interesting thing i found when foirst fiting and driving with Cups was that feeling like the car was happy with them and it just seemed to work....
it was a strange feeling by very obvious one if i am honest :thumbs:
Once they're at their optimum operating temp there's no comparison. Dry grip is immense - leagues, worlds, solar systems, galaxies ahead of PS2 :-D
I've seen 1.5G on the data logger
Sounds like fun mate! :-D
SpineOnABap
15-02-2009, 06:25 PM
Yep... gave me a huge man boob as the weight shifted to the right :-D
Andyk
15-02-2009, 07:18 PM
Qestion..everyone talks about the optimum operating temp for cups...how do you know...is it touchy feely until you can go round a bend without landing in the hedge.
Yes just car feel! If there is no under steer or tail out then they are up to temp! :thumbs:
Mark CSL
15-02-2009, 07:23 PM
My first time out on a brand new set of cups at knockhill i spun it on the warm up lap behind the pace car :banghead: :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:
But you will know when warm when you turn your guts hit your ribs :hahaha:
SpineOnABap
15-02-2009, 08:16 PM
Yes it's a 'feel thing', but you can also tell by the touch (if stationary) - just put your hand on them, they feel like chewing gum!
But beware.......... the slip angles......... sudden breakaway and you have to be quick to catch.
bryce
15-02-2009, 09:12 PM
Sounds good.
IIRC, Elliot said on Mtorque its difficult to get them to temp on public roads?
derek
15-02-2009, 09:24 PM
i agree with that you probably end up with less grip on the road especially in scotland, ps2 work better on road
Cups will be fine! After a few miles have some fun! :-D
AlexGTT
16-02-2009, 06:30 PM
They are fine on the road and despite other comments, you can generate adequate temps on road. Just adapt and change your driving style. You can feel the grip levels build very easily once you get to know them.
Just one word of caution. When they're brand new they are VERY slippy slidey. They need a scrub in. On track be very cautious for 2-3 laps, as Mark found out in his post. :bigcry: :thumbs:
Sounds good thanks for the info Alex! :thumbs:
SpineOnABap
16-02-2009, 08:01 PM
Yeah as Alex says you can get to "adequate" temps on the road, enough to still be miles ahead of the PS2, but you'll never get to the levels you can on track.
AlexGTT
17-02-2009, 12:06 PM
Agreed Elliot, they are in their element on track and to be honest, if I drove my CSL every day, all through winter, I'd probably run PS2's and save the Cups for Summer only.
On your favourite, deserted, roller coaster A/B road (we've got loads in Wales :whistle: ) you can work up decent temps to outperform pretty much any other road tyre. I usually stick in 26-27 psi cold, check temps half way through my run and they've levelled nicely at around 31-32psi which feels just right.
On track you'll find yourself dropping the pressures quite considerably as you build up speed and temp, usually way lower than 26psi cold, especially if the ambient temps are high. So remember to put some pressure back in when they've cooled down for the drive home. :wink:
so 26-27 psi in cups for road use?
AlexGTT
17-02-2009, 12:22 PM
so 26-27 psi in cups for road use?
If you plan on pushing up the pace and depending on road conditions. I'd say find what works best for you. Mine only comes out for fun and this works well for me (maybe I should write a disclaimer here :hahaha: )
I've seen so many Cups worn out because they are over inflated. They'll go in no time with 33psi cold in them, that's for sure. Unless you drive like Miss Daisey. :-D
glendog74
17-02-2009, 12:51 PM
I've seen so many Cups worn out because they are over inflated.
Alex - what sore of mileage life do you get from your Cup tyres? Do you have them fitted for your drives over to the ring? Those Belgian 'A' roads are rough as f**k!
I am going to be driving over to the ring on Cups this year! Should be fine! :-D
AlexGTT
17-02-2009, 01:55 PM
I've seen so many Cups worn out because they are over inflated.
Alex - what sore of mileage life do you get from your Cup tyres? Do you have them fitted for your drives over to the ring? Those Belgian 'A' roads are rough as f**k!
Yes, they are fitted all the time on mine.
Typically I'm getting 6,000-7,000 miles out of the rears provided I'm not being a hooligan. 3,000-4,000 miles fronts. If the car is set up correctly you'll probably you'll wear out two pairs of fronts to one pair of rears. That's road mileage with a couple of trackdays thrown in.
If you do loads of trackdays, they'll wear out pretty quick. I got through one set in 1.5 trackdays once but the car wasn't set up very well back then. I got them over-heated and I didn't pay enough attention to pressures. :smt103 :smt102 :smt115
Sounds good Alex! Cups are perfect for me, only use the car when i want if the sun is out etc! :whistle:
glendog74
17-02-2009, 02:53 PM
Typically I'm getting 6,000-7,000 miles out of the rears provided I'm not being a hooligan. 3,000-4,000 miles fronts. If the car is set up correctly you'll probably you'll wear out two pairs of fronts to one pair of rears. That's road mileage with a couple of trackdays thrown in.
Cheers Alex, the mileage isn't quite as pants as i'd imagined! My car's suspension is set-up much like yours by Simpson also - using OEM shocks and adjustable top mounts.
I plan to stuff my track wheels in the back seat for my first Ring trip in May! Having only ever used PS2s on track before now, I am certainly looking forward to 'feeling' the difference with Cups - once warmed through of course! :whistle: :hahaha:
glendog74
17-02-2009, 03:02 PM
They'll go in no time with 33psi cold in them, that's for sure. Unless you drive like Miss Daisey. :-D
Remember Andyk - 33psi. :whistle: :hahaha: :hahaha:
Andyk
17-02-2009, 03:45 PM
They'll go in no time with 33psi cold in them, that's for sure. Unless you drive like Miss Daisey. :-D
Remember Andyk - 33psi. :whistle: :hahaha: :hahaha:
:butthead:
Bollocks to that...if thats all the mileeage you get out of them I'm off to get some remoulds for £40 a set.
SpineOnABap
17-02-2009, 03:50 PM
Alex, how come you're only getting half the mileage out of the fronts (versus the rears)?
I'd say 6,000-7,000 out of rears if you really try hard, but more out of the fronts.
It was the rears that always cost me. One set was 1500 miles but it did include a LOT of road drifting.
Andyk
17-02-2009, 03:54 PM
Alex, how come you're only getting half the mileage out of the fronts (versus the rears)?
I'd say 6,000-7,000 out of rears if you really try hard, but more out of the fronts.
It was the rears that always cost me. One set was 1500 miles but it did include a LOT of road drifting.
I was thinking the same to be honest....backs would go first.
AlexGTT
17-02-2009, 06:01 PM
Alex, how come you're only getting half the mileage out of the fronts (versus the rears)?
I'd say 6,000-7,000 out of rears if you really try hard, but more out of the fronts.
It was the rears that always cost me. One set was 1500 miles but it did include a LOT of road drifting.
I was expecting that as well but I find trackdays are wearing the fronts faster. Normal road driving wear seems much more even wear, front to rear but as soon as I hit a track, especially tracks with a seriously long, fast corner with high entry speeds like Mallory (1st corner), Snetterton (long right before chicane), Spa (double left hand down hill) the fronts get hammered. Probably got a lot to do with driving style. I've always tended to lean very heavily on the fronts on the way into corners keeping everything very much in line on the way out on the power.
That seems to be backed up by my tyre wear patterns. I had problems wearing the outside edges of my fronts quicker than the inside, even with nearly 2 deg negative camber. I now run 2.5 for track and get almost perfect even wear across the fronts.
Last October, I arrived at Snetterton with absolutely mullered fronts. They'd gone on the same time as the rears which were maybe just 2/3rds worn. I had new fronts that morning and I've only just changed the rears in the last week after a Ring trip, in November and Oulton Park trackday, in November.
My conclusion is that I don't get anywhere near enough tail out exiting corners. Something inside me knows it's slower and won't let me do it. I think I must be :gayfight: :hahaha:
SpineOnABap
17-02-2009, 06:05 PM
Right! Sorry I thought you were talking 'road', rather than track.
That extra camber is needed on track. In the early days (I'm talking '03) a few of us got through a few sets of fronts finding that out! :-D
dave1
17-02-2009, 06:08 PM
Been swapping tyres today you would't beleive how stiff the side wall's are on cup's compared with ps2's
SpineOnABap
17-02-2009, 06:11 PM
Yeah they're made of iron!
You don't wanna watch the fitters doing it ... :bigcry:
bryce
17-02-2009, 06:22 PM
Thats better milage than I thought then :notworthy:
A set should last me all year :gayfight:
anyone tried filling them with nitrogen?
AlexGTT
17-02-2009, 06:30 PM
Been swapping tyres today you would't beleive how stiff the side wall's are on cup's compared with ps2's
Aren't they just! I also change my own on our tyre machine with the help of one of the lads and a large 'G' clamp to curl the sidewalls onto the rims. I take about 1/4 hour on each wheel just to keep those rims perfect. :gayfight: :whistle: :wink:
AlexGTT
17-02-2009, 06:32 PM
anyone tried filling them with nitrogen?
No but good call. Would be far more stable with the temps they generate.
bryce
17-02-2009, 06:38 PM
Im filling mine with helium, otherwise its against all ethics of the CSL.
karbonkid
17-02-2009, 06:58 PM
How long do cups last on average, mileage compared to PS2s?
DazBlackCSL
17-02-2009, 07:02 PM
Not long if your tracking hard , 4/5 track days .. 6000 miles on the road if your lucky and not tracking ??
Mine arrive next week , as the old ones are very bad !! prob good for a track day
How much did you pay for the new cups Daz? :whistle:
DazBlackCSL
17-02-2009, 07:09 PM
Done a deal ... :whistle:
Done a deal ... :whistle:
me too :-D
Can you tell us about these deals? :whistle:
got mine for £650 :smokin:
dave1
17-02-2009, 07:40 PM
can you get anymore for that?
SpineOnABap
17-02-2009, 07:41 PM
How long do cups last on average, mileage compared to PS2s?
Make an effort! Read the previous few posts at least :bigcry:
can you get anymore for that?
sorry chaps got mine off a guy on Mtorque - they had been fitted, but with only delivery mileage - he wanted a fair bit more, i just made an offer - they are/where like new.
bryce
17-02-2009, 07:57 PM
Much you pay Daz?
karbonkid
17-02-2009, 08:02 PM
How long do cups last on average, mileage compared to PS2s?
Make an effort! Read the previous few posts at least :bigcry:
I see you spotted my deliberate mistake SOAB. :whistle:
bryce
17-02-2009, 08:14 PM
SOAB. :whistle:
Son Of A Bitch? Thats not very nice :whistle:
karbonkid
17-02-2009, 08:20 PM
:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: SpineOnABap.. Didnt even occur to me that.
glendog74
28-05-2009, 02:24 PM
I'd forgotten about this thread! Well, I can indeed confirm that Cup tyres rock compared to road tyres on a CSL! :supz:
I can only compare them to the PS2s that i have used on previous trackdays but they give awesome levels of grip in the bendy bits and inspire massive confidence in the car. I managed to shave on average over 20secs from my previous Ring lap times.
Like AlexGTT, i have adjustable camber plates and these do help with wear and longevity issues as long as you keep checking those pressures!
Bealo
29-05-2009, 02:15 AM
Cool that's good to hear Glendog as i have a set waiting for me back home. :thumbs:
I'm going to get them filled with Nitrogen, i'll let you all know how i get on.
So from reading this thread i take it you should run about -2.5 camber on the front on track yes???? What camber should i run the front on the road?
What about the rear camber???
Cool that's good to hear Glendog as i have a set waiting for me back home. :thumbs:
I'm going to get them filled with Nitrogen, i'll let you all know how i get on.
So from reading this thread i take it you should run about -2.5 camber on the front on track yes???? What camber should i run the front on the road?
What about the rear camber???
Bealo, as mentioned on another thread you need to run what "you" need to run and only a tyre pyrometer or trial and error will tell you. If you have stock suspension then I'd suggest it seems 2.5 deg neg is a good starting point from others accounts. If you have upgraded the suspension it would seem in some cases 2 deg is enough. This will depend also on your driving style.
Bealo
29-05-2009, 08:43 AM
Bealo, as mentioned on another thread you need to run what "you" need to run and only a tyre pyrometer or trial and error will tell you. If you have stock suspension then I'd suggest it seems 2.5 deg neg is a good starting point from others accounts. If you have upgraded the suspension it would seem in some cases 2 deg is enough. This will depend also on your driving style.
Thanks Jeff
the car is going to BMSport for a geo set up so i will see what they recommend.:thumbs:
englebert
29-05-2009, 12:44 PM
Well, base it on what you use the car for.
Mine has had two geo setups there now, the latest being more extreme. TBH it hunts cambers a lot more and tramlines too... so on the road it is actually worse. Great on track though.
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