What's she worth???

[Das Chin]

just thinking about putting the old girl up.

so what is she worth then?

here is the spec:

2003 – 53 BMW M3 CSL
Production date: 02.09.2003 Build number 039 for UK market
Colour : Silver Grey
Mileage: 112,900
CSL limited edition plaque
Car has been garaged for years and SORN over winter. Lives on trickle charger. Only driven in dry.
Full service history at BMW . last one was Inspection 2at BMW specialist (Mill Lane - Bristol). 14k miles left to next one.
First service done at right time
Front bumper and wings were resprayed by Murketts BMW in 2011
Rear subframe was repaired at 111k miles by Murketts BMW under Warranty
New clutch at 111k miles
new diff under warranty at 111k miles
New OEM air in take system for the CSL carbon intake under warranty in july 2003
New Flap and actuator system for the CSL intake as motor had gone on old one. Replaced in July 2013.
Inspection 2 done in April 2013 at Mill Lane BMW. Included new plugs, coils, rocker cover gaskets etc. also valve Shims were replaced along with the gearbox and diff oils. Receipts and stamped to prove.
Michelin Pilot Cup sport tyres put back on the car in July 2013 to bring back to near OEM as possible.
Additional mods:
Front polybushed (powerflex) around the ARBs
Rear polybushed (powerflex) around the rear arb and diff carrier.
Full AP racing BBK front and rear
356mm grooved discs with 6 pot AP calipers in RED
Grooved AP larger rear discs with 4 pot AP calipers in RED
New RS29 Pagid Pads all round
Stainless steel brake hoses and dot 5.1 fluid all round.
Milltek 100 CEL CATS
Milltek Centre to rear section
OEM CSL exhaust back box back on the car
Interior trim (dashboard x 3, windows switch area, SMG cathedral, rear centre console over seats, door handles and door entry kick plates) professionally carbon hydro dipped to replace the Titan Silver trim. Still have the original trim in the titan silver.
I still have the original trim as well.
new CSL handbrake grip cover and leather gaitor - bought march 2013 and goes on soon.

link to pics and updates:
http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10995

Data for vehicle identification number: WBSBL96060JC98149
Model description:
M3 CSL
Market:
Europe
Type:
BL96
E-Code:
E46 (2)
Chassis:
Coupé
Steering:
right
Doors:
2
Engine:
S54 - 3,20l (261kW)
Drive:
Rear-Wheel Drive (sDrive)
Transmission:
manuel
Body Color:
SILBERGRAU METALLIC
Upholstery:
STOFF AMARETTA REFLEX PUR/ANTHRAZIT
Production date:
02.09.2003
Assembled in:
Regensburg

[Mike R]

£10k - when did you want me to collect it?

[Das Chin]

very good. how did I know that was coming.

come on I need some help here....

I was thinking £23.5 to £24k.

DC

[J2LTB]

My car is almost identical. I'm thinking 22k would be nice.

[phoenixcsl]

I would personally sell the car standard, take all your mods off and either put them on the new one or sell them on their own as you must have £2-2.5k in re-sale of all your bits to add to your fund.

Plus selling a standard car opens up your market.

[J2LTB]

He hasn't got std brake setup though. Quite right though. Sell standard.

[mattCSLnut]

My car is almost identical. I'm thinking 22k would be nice.

For a potential buyer, maybe ;)
IMHO that's too low for a clean Cecil with full AP anchors (worth up to £2K on their own) I'd say @ £23,995 OVNO and take no less then £23,000 .
At the end of the day a good clean Cecil is a very rare thing these days and an appreciating asset.

[J2LTB]

For a potential buyer, maybe ;)
IMHO that's too low for a clean Cecil with full AP anchors (worth up to £2K on their own) I'd say @ £23,995 OVNO and take no less then £23,000 .
At the end of the day a good clean Cecil is a very rare thing these days and an appreciating asset.

That makes me happy to know mines worth that then .😛

[Das Chin]

thanks matt.

i cant be fooked to chase down standard parts, such as a full brake set up, pay a csl tax on those then pay someone to put them as it wont be worth it in the end.

will get the car taxed in April then see what happens.

[mattCSLnut]

That makes me happy to know mines worth that then .😛
I wasn't talking about your Cecil mate :wink: :hahaha:

[J2LTB]

I wasn't talking about your Cecil mate :wink: :hahaha:

Daz could be talking about my car the spec is so close. So I'm interested to know what mines worth :thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

thanks matt.

i cant be fooked to chase down standard parts, such as a full brake set up, pay a csl tax on those then pay someone to put them as it wont be worth it in the end.

will get the car taxed in April then see what happens.

I hear Ya mate :goodman: TBH AP BBK is an attractive feature on any Cecil as the OEM stuff is well documented to be poor.
So long as you price your car accordingly ( which you will ;) ) to recoup what you could get for the AP BBK on their own then it's Happy Days for all concerned.:thumbs:
GLWTS :beer: if you decide to let her go.

[mattCSLnut]

Daz could be talking about my car the spec is so close. So I'm interested to know what mines worth :thumbs:
How's the overall condition of yours ? :whistle:

[derek]

very good. how did I know that was coming.

come on I need some help here....

I was thinking £23.5 to £24k.

DC
I thought it would be worth 30K+ Nick :whistle:

[J2LTB]

How's the overall condition of yours ? :whistle:
Sorry we are going off thread now.

In my opinion it's very good. I've done a hell of a lot to the mechanicals including a full re bush. I'm trying to refresh everything. Including a forth coming head gasket :-/

[Das Chin]

I thought it would be worth 30K+ Nick :whistle:

Christ what does that make yours worth :banghead:

[Chris-CSL]

I would have priced it @ 25K OVNO the minus point is the miles however with all the parts replaced and the BBK and the exhaust system added it has to be worth this.

[mattCSLnut]

Sorry we are going off thread now.

In my opinion it's very good. I've done a hell of a lot to the mechanicals including a full re bush. I'm trying to refresh everything. Including a forth coming head gasket :-/

Lighten up fella ;) I'm only pulling Yer pisser :hahaha:

[J2LTB]

Lighten up fella ;) I'm only pulling Yer pisser :hahaha:

I didn't realise you were lol I'm fine.

Beginning to think I've made a wise investment in a CSL. Can't imagine how hard it is now to get in to a Cesil , glad I did

[digi]

You should jack up the price considering the latest PH ad for a 79K Cesil. :smokin:

[mattCSLnut]

I didn't realise you were lol I'm fine.

Beginning to think I've made a wise investment in a CSL. Can't imagine how hard it is now to get in to a Cesil , glad I did

:goodman:
It's getting harder by the minute as the number keep on dwindling: http://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/?utf8=✓&q=BMW+M3+CSL

[shane@mbtech]

You could try it at £23k

But £20k is more realistic IMO

[Yanto]

I'll bid £19k. Serious.

[mattCSLnut]

I'll bid £19k. Serious.
Of course you do ... :whistle:

[_Nathan_]

You could try it at £23k

But £20k is more realistic IMO

Yep, stick on at 21.5 and see how you go IMO.

[derek]

Yep, stick on at 21.5 and see how you go IMO.

Strip it out add cage and bucket seats to reduce the value then use it as a trade in to buy your old csl :thumbs:

[_Nathan_]

Strip it out add cage and bucket seats to reduce the value then use it as a trade in to buy your old csl :thumbs:

:thumbs:

[shane@mbtech]

I'll have it for £20k:beer:

That's a serious offer btw.

[Das Chin]

thanks all for your advise and guidance. Well most of you :-)

it wont be going for 20k and lots of pms already so see how it goes.

DC

i might end up keeping it

[Rags]

also pm'd you

[_Nathan_]

thanks all for your advise and guidance. Well most of you :-)

it wont be going for 20k and lots of pms already so see how it goes.

DC

i might end up keeping it

Problem is that everyone with the search button knows what you got it for :whistle:

[mattCSLnut]

Problem is that everyone with the search button knows what you got it for :whistle:

IMHO that's mostly irrelevant as just maybe the previous owner was desperate to jump ship so SOLD it cheap to achieve his main objective.
Also CSL prices are shifting upwards as numbers dwindle and demand outstrips supply :smokin:
There's no harm in DC trying his luck @ £23,995 OVNO first ;) ... it's not as if he's desperate to sell.

[Graham]

Problem is that everyone with the search button knows what you got it for :whistle:
That's what I was thinking :hahaha:

I would say 20k prices haven't gone up that much recently except for the odd person trying it asking for too much

[Trawler]

It's about time we started asking silly prices, look what is being asked for an old piece of pork.

[Chrisc]

I'm amazed 20k is flying around! A cat D front end car just sold for £17k. And that needed new wings,bonnet,airbox etc etc. and a cat D!

Personally 25-26k.

I could strip it and make 20k easily

[shimmy]

£22k and hold out

[mr sagman]

I would say with having the AP's brakes all round, and it looks to be in excellent condition I would start at £24-25K, You can always drop it if need be, Remember we are coming into spring, and interest always starts to rise at this time of year.

[Neil M]

I'm with mr sagman on that, £24,995 looks good to me.
Whether you get that is another matter, but anything approaching it would go someway into compensating you for; all the time, effort and expense that you've put into car.

Best of Luck!:thumbs:

[shane@mbtech]

I'm amazed 20k is flying around! A cat D front end car just sold for £17k. And that needed new wings,bonnet,airbox etc etc. and a cat D!

Personally 25-26k.

I could strip it and make 20k easily

I sold a mint black one for £19k

You can get 50k car for £30k, I wouldn't pay no where near £26k for a 120k miler.

[Das Chin]

its 112k lawsy not 120k. So closer to 110k :-)

like a house or sth else its what someone is prepared to pay for it so we will see.

i know who not to sell it to :-)

[shane@mbtech]

I wish you luck at £25k, hope you get it. If you do then it definitely shows a marked rise in prices

[Chris-CSL]

cor this has brought about a little debate :) lets see what she goes for it will be very interesting! for us all and the market!

:supz:

[Chrisc]

I wish you luck at £25k, hope you get it. If you do then it definitely shows a marked rise in prices

Thinking about it, that one about 6 months ago had 125k and went for a tad under 24k in the end. Was there a while, but it did sell. I know because i called to go and view it :thumbs:

[MCSL]

its gotta be worth at least £23k today shurley? I still think the CSL is slightly undervalued. Not quite found its feet yet? Don't get me wrong - it's not going to double in price overnight, or in the next year or 5 mind, but it is starting to get a lot of added interest and a kind of cult+ status - loved more today than when it was when first launched. It's a car that the next 'bubble-burst' will not effect imo. Collectors are also including them in their 'collection's'. I had A-person recently ask me if i was "interested" in selling mine for £40k... was tempted - only because it's the first car i'd of made a profit on, but after after much temptation i said no. I don't think i'll regret it either <touches wood>. What else do you replace it with??

[Chrisc]

what else do you replace it with??

Exactly. For anyone with one, and who cant get a GT3, then the CSL is an amazing all round car. Love the normal M3, but the CSL is just that much better in every way. Well unless you have never driven a CSL and cant understand why someone would pay the money :banghead::hahaha:

[MCSL]

Exactly. For anyone with one, and who cant get a GT3, then the CSL is an amazing all round car. Love the normal M3, but the CSL is just that much better in every way. Well unless you have never driven a CSL and cant understand why someone would pay the money :banghead::hahaha:

CSL is night & day to an M3. GT3 is night & day to a Carrera. 360 CS is night & day to the standard 360. These cars are remembered and not forgotten. :supz:

[Chrisc]

CSL is night & day to an M3. GT3 is night & day to a Carrera. 360 CS is night & day to the standard 360. These cars are remembered and not forgotten. :supz:

Exactly. Just some people do not understand that :hahaha:

[MarcM]

I got mine last September and have spent just under 4k getting it mechanically and cosmetically spot on. Obviously advertised prices and what they sell for may be two different things but based on what I've seen in the last six months I could get my money back. Also when in at the paint shop at least three people were wanting to buy it!

Had the car at Knockhill last September and was sat on the banking watching people flock round the car and photograph it.:supz:

Definite buzz about the CSL at the minute! :smokin:

[Das Chin]

few new cars listed on ph.

there is an 80k miler for 28k n similar spec.

the 56k miler is up for 32.5k. 39k miler (so 40k) is £35k

so logic would say that 30k mile difference is worth about £4k?

so in the region of 24-25k feels about right.

[73CSL]

thing is , they arent making them any more & the CSL is accepted by all as being a great car , if not one of the best BMW has produced , so there is demand for a finite amount of cars

5 Years ago you could buy a Porsche 964 RS for £50K , today you'll need towards £100K + ( nearly all the RHD have headed east to japan) . Classic Porsches have increased in value by a huge amount this last 6 months.

In theory, as market world wide for genuine classics & collectables keeps opening up into new markets then the value is naturally going to increase


Of course , everything could go tits up , but at least we'd have had fun on the way

[mattCSLnut]

thing is , they arent making them any more & the CSL is accepted by all as being a great car , if not one of the best BMW has produced , so there is demand for a finite amount of cars

5 Years ago you could buy a Porsche 964 RS for £50K , today you'll need towards £100K + ( nearly all the RHD have headed east to japan) . Classic Porsches have increased in value by a huge amount this last 6 months.

In theory, as market world wide for genuine classics & collectables keeps opening up into new markets then the value is naturally going to increase


Of course , everything could go tits up , but at least we'd have had fun on the way

:thumbs: Almost as sound as "Bricks & Mortar" but way more fun :supz:

[mattCSLnut]

few new cars listed on ph.

there is an 80k miler for 28k n similar spec.

the 56k miler is up for 32.5k. 39k miler (so 40k) is £35k

so logic would say that 30k mile difference is worth about £4k?

so in the region of 24-25k feels about right.

£23,999 and you'll have a disorderly queue forming outside your front door :thumbs:

[Steve B]

When I put mine up for £25.5k in January my inbox was buzzing... I bottled it and have had a guy finally temp me with selling her on who's coming to look early April (works abroad)... Only trouble is what I would buy next and I can't find anything anywhere near as good..

Steve

[CraigMillwardCroft]

When I put mine up for £25.5k in January my inbox was buzzing... I bottled it and have had a guy finally temp me with selling her on who's coming to look early April (works abroad)... Only trouble is what I would buy next and I can't find anything anywhere near as good..

Steve

Don't do it

[mr sagman]

Don't make yourself one of the growing list of people that regret for a long long time the sale of there Cecil.. There is very little you can replace it with unless you can afford a GT3.. You have been warned.

[Jon8710]

steve

you have been going on about selling your car since the day you got it !

[cslsuperfan]

When I put mine up for £25.5k in January my inbox was buzzing... I bottled it and have had a guy finally temp me with selling her on who's coming to look early April (works abroad)... Only trouble is what I would buy next and I can't find anything anywhere near as good..

Steve

Hang on to her Steve, summer's nearly here!!

[Steve B]

steve

you have been going on about selling your car since the day you got it !


Might have been a week lol...... I don't usually keep them long, this 1 however is very hard to replace...

[custom-d]

Crazy money,I paid less than this for an m3 with 8k miles and is like a brand new car.

[Yanto]

Crazy money,I paid less than this for an m3 with 8k miles and is like a brand new car.

Pics/link or you're lying.

[custom-d]

Pics/link or you're lying.

Why would I be lying?

[J2LTB]

Crazy money,I paid less than this for an m3 with 8k miles and is like a brand new car.

But it's not a csl. Still great car (M3) and a car id like to own. Sounds daft really but a Csl is that different.

[custom-d]

But it's not a csl. Still great car (M3) and a car id like to own. Sounds daft really but a Csl is that different.

No it's not but given the car has done over 100k miles and is worth 25k is crazy, if it was a normal m3 it would be a 5k car.

[custom-d]

I looked at several csl before buying my m3 and just couldn't justify spending 30k on a car with stone chips and worn/scuffed interior parts etc. but that's just me and we all know they command these prices even in this state and they seem to sell.

[Yanto]

Why would I be lying?

Show me a link for an 8k mile M3 for less money. That's all.

Easy to make comment without evidence.

Then your point is valid.

[custom-d]

Show me a link for an 8k mile M3 for less money. That's all.

Easy to make comment without evidence.

Then your point is valid.

Here you go,


http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showthread.php?t=98890

http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showthread.php?t=96946

[s.mac]

I looked at several csl before buying my m3 and just couldn't justify spending 30k on a car with stone chips and worn/scuffed interior parts etc. but that's just me and we all know they command these prices even in this state and they seem to sell.

You can't have looked at nice examples, there are plenty well looked after cars :)

[shimmy]

I looked at several csl before buying my m3 and just couldn't justify spending 30k on a car with stone chips and worn/scuffed interior parts etc. but that's just me and we all know they command these prices even in this state and they seem to sell.

Now I understand if you can't afford one, not sure I could if I had to buy one in 2014 instead of 2006, but how can you explain it as "justifying" a purchase when prices have gone up around 15-20% in one year whereas your M3 is gonna drop like a stone and keep falling.

My m135 is about £32k and my CSL somewhere between £20-23k with 100k more miles on the clock and if I had to buy one f them I know which it would be.

[custom-d]

Now I understand if you can't afford one, not sure I could if I had to buy one in 2014 instead of 2006, but how can you explain it as "justifying" a purchase when prices have gone up around 15-20% in one year whereas your M3 is gonna drop like a stone and keep falling.

My m135 is about £32k and my CSL somewhere between £20-23k with 100k more miles on the clock and if I had to buy one f them I know which it would be.

Who said anything about not being able to afford one though? And as for the value of mine dropping like a stone it obviously shows how much you know as it's not just low mile csls that command good money these days.

[s.mac]

Are you talking E46 M3?

Each to their own, what ever it is.

If it's an e46, after having owned one, I would go for a CSL every time, what ever the mileage.

I never looked back when I traded it in for the CSL. I'm not saying it will never go but I'm hanging on to it for at least this summer (6 years now).

I don't use it as a daily and that probably adds to the grin when I go and get it out of storage :)

Enjoy your car :)

[custom-d]

Are you talking E46 M3?

Each to their own, what ever it is.

If it's an e46, after having owned one, I would go for a CSL every time, what ever the mileage.

I never looked back when I traded it in for the CSL. I'm not saying it will never go but I'm hanging on to it for at least this summer (6 years now).

I don't use it as a daily and that probably adds to the grin when I go and get it out of storage :)

Enjoy your car :)

Thanks, yes it's an e46 m3 and I was just stating that I personally would much rather have an 8000 mile mint and as new normal m3 than a high mileage tired csl especially as bits are so expensive if you do have to replace them. Ie interior bits etc. Everyone is different and maybe people's standards arnt as high as mine.

[custom-d]

You can't have looked at nice examples, there are plenty well looked after cars :)

Well I looked at 3 cars for sale on here and there were all needing paintwork, worn seats, cracked/scratched carbon inside and just generally really looking tired

[s.mac]

Everyone has different criteria, enjoy :thumbs:

[s.mac]

There are a few on here that have OCD, but we ain't selling :)

[custom-d]

Everyone has different criteria, enjoy :thumbs:

That's very true and csls always seem to sell whatever the mileage or condition just because there rare

[Yanto]

Here you go, no price though but I can assure you it was a fair bit less than 100k csl would be


http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showthread.php?t=98890

http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showthread.php?t=96946

It's a "vert"...

Sorry, all bets off. :smokin:

[shane@mbtech]

Did you buy that from my mate Faz and his Brother?

[plumber vic]

I looked at several csl before buying my m3 and just couldn't justify spending 30k on a car with stone chips and worn/scuffed interior parts etc. but that's just me and we all know they command these prices even in this state and they seem to sell.

Its the difference between buying a house in Mayfair and Maidstone one will always hold there money;)

[MarcM]

That's very true and csls always seem to sell whatever the mileage or condition just because there rare

I think there are around 11/12,000 common or garden M3's left in RHD and only 285 CSL's. Nuff said!

I bought an M roadster 3 years ago instead of an E46 M3 because it was rarer and felt more special. To get a tidy normal M3 to the same standard aesthetically, aurally and in terms of handling as a CSL would cost thousands.

A ferrari 348 costs about 25-35k but the competizione is advertised for around 99k. I haven't seen people on ferrari forums justifying buying the girl's version!;)

[cslsuperfan]

There are a few on here that have OCD, but we ain't selling :)

I've no idea who you're referring to;)

[Das Chin]

its a convertible.....oh dear.

please take your thoughts and views back to cutters custom d with jon boy and co. I don't want this thread trashed with csl bashing as not what its for.

[deanobeano]

So what's mine worth?

Stock SB with 61K miles
I would say mint condition
sub frame done by Elms last year
Transferrable BMW fully comp warranty

Only did 1.5k miles last year.

I wonder how much a warranty would add to the selling price?

[custom-d]

its a convertible.....oh dear.

please take your thoughts and views back to cutters custom d with jon boy and co. I don't want this thread trashed with csl bashing as not what its for.

That's not a very nice attitude to have is it now, I'm not bashing anyone's thread I'm just stating that I don't think csls that have been to the moon and back are worth these sort of prices, after all you asked what your car is worth and 20k tops is what price I'd put on it.

[CraigMillwardCroft]

It's a "vert"...

Sorry, all bets off. :smokin:

And it's on 18" rims :whistle:

[Trawler]

That's not a very nice attitude to have is it now, I'm not bashing anyone's thread I'm just stating that I don't think csls that have been to the moon and back are worth these sort of prices, after all you asked what your car is worth and 20k tops is what price I'd put on it.

Maybe he's been sent to wind us up. :hahaha:

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Its the difference between buying a house in Mayfair and Maidstone one will always hold there money;)

:thumbs:

[Das Chin]

:whistle:So what's mine worth?

Stock SB with 61K miles
I would say mint condition
sub frame done by Elms last year
Transferrable BMW fully comp warranty

Only did 1.5k miles last year.

I wonder how much a warranty would add to the selling price?

I would have said early 30s deano. derek has just put his SB (my old car) with 55k miles and very standard for 34k.

the market is the market and it dictates pricing. not what cutters with shallow pockets think a csl should be worth as they all seem to think the CSL/M3 differences are a few carbon parts :whistle: mileage is just one factor in a car condition....I saw lots of mid 50s and 60s mileage car and they were in a poor state of prep and needed paint and other things.

[custom-d]

It's a "vert"...

Sorry, all bets off. :smokin:

You asked me to show you a 8k mile M3 which the last time I looked at the badge on the boot that's what it was. And as for the price I have already been offered 4k more than I paid from a well know m3 specialist so if a dealer can offer me that without even seeing the car then I think I win this one. :hahaha:

[Yanto]

;)

[Das Chin]

Go back to cutters please. This is boring me already.

[custom-d]

No problem if that's what you think, it's an Internet forum with a thread asking opinions on prices and I gave mime. All the best, I'm off back home to Maidstone :bigcry:

[deanobeano]

Early 30's...wow - I was thinking 29,999.00

[Neil M]

Early 30's...wow - I was thinking 29,999.00
Recent adds for cars with comparable mileage would suggest an asking price of somewhere between £27,995 - £30,995, so you're pretty much on the money.:thumbs:

[shimmy]

No problem if that's what you think, it's an Internet forum with a thread asking opinions on prices and I gave mime. All the best, I'm off back home to Maidstone :bigcry:

Maidstone........now you tell us the full story :banghead:






:hahaha:

[custom-d]

Maidstone........now you tell us the full story :banghead:






:hahaha:

And that has just gone right over you head hasn't it :bigcry::bigcry:

[Das Chin]

back to the top please. I would prefer seasoned CSL owners views....not a hairdresser/estate agent. much obliged.

[custom-d]

back to the top please. I would prefer seasoned CSL owners views....not a hairdresser/estate agent. much obliged.

Good luck selling your csl, I'm thinking more 18k standard 20k with the brakes is a fair price and I know my csl prices I'd like to think.

[mr sagman]

Good luck selling your high miler I'm thinking more 18k to be fair

Just because a modern car has 100K on it doesn't make it 'tired', My previous E39 M5 had 100k on it when I sold it, yet to drive and look at you would swear it had done less than 30k miles, Modern cars are built to do the miles and if serviced and looked after will easily see 200k miles, I have a standard M3 as well as a CSL and if you believe a low mileage std car is even in the same league as a higher mileage CSL then you my friend are living in cloud cuckoo land, Enjoy your M3 but please don't get a drive in a CSL or you may be parting company with your car very quickly, especially if you know how to drive properly.

[custom-d]

Just because a modern car has 100K on it doesn't make it 'tired', My previous E39 M5 had 100k on it when I sold it, yet to drive and look at you would swear it had done less than 30k miles, Modern cars are built to do the miles and if serviced and looked after will easily see 200k miles, I have a standard M3 as well as a CSL and if you believe a low mileage std car is even in the same league as a higher mileage CSL then you my friend are living in cloud cuckoo land, Enjoy your M3 but please don't get a drive in a CSL or you may be parting company with your car very quickly, especially if you know how to drive properly.

Condition is everything with these cars more so the csl being a collectors car, a collector such as myself would want the car perfect for it to command a high price. I'm not worried about how the car drives at speed etc as it will spend most of its life being pottered around in an do very little mileage and certainly never see a track etc. I wouldn't want a car that had been thrashed or tracked and being the type of car the csl is most of them have had a hard life and been driven hard.

[portlandgrey]

That's not a very nice attitude to have is it now, I'm not bashing anyone's thread I'm just stating that I don't think csls that have been to the moon and back are worth these sort of prices, after all you asked what your car is worth and 20k tops is what price I'd put on it.


What you perceive it to be worth & what the markets believes it to be worth are totally different things.

I'd love to believe that 993 GT2's aren't worth £300-£500k, & that i'll be able to get in one for £100k.
Sadly, I'm dreaming.

[custom-d]

What you perceive it to be worth & what the markets believes it to be worth are totally different things.

I'd love to believe that 993 GT2's aren't worth £300-£500k, & that i'll be able to get in one for £100k.
Sadly, I'm dreaming.

Ever so slightly different when your talking a quarter of the price, it's not like I'm saying his high miler is worth 10k is it. 20k is a realistic price with the mileage. At 25k you might as well put another 5k ontop and get a car with half the miles. Depends on how quick you want to shift the car.

[j88 csl]

Condition is everything with these cars more so the csl being a collectors car, a collector such as myself would want the car perfect for it to command a high price. I'm not worried about how the car drives at speed etc as it will spend most of its life being pottered around in an do very little mileage and certainly never see a track etc. I wouldn't want a car that had been thrashed or tracked and being the type of car the csl is most of them have had a hard life and been driven hard.

I would respectfully suggest you're possibly the last type of person most people on here would want owning one of these cars.....IMHO

[custom-d]

I would respectfully suggest you're possibly the last type of person most people on here would want owning one of these cars.....IMHO

Fair enough the csl is a car built for the track but at the same time it is a collectors car. It would be a crime to track a low mileage mint example if that's what you want to do then you might aswell buy a high miler to abuse

[LeinsCSL]

I will give you £20k for your 964 RS and you will be happy about it!

[Yanto]

Fair enough the csl is a car built for the track but at the same time it is a collectors car. It would be a crime to track a low mileage mint example if that's what you want to do then you might aswell buy a high miler to abuse

Perfect time for Craig to wade in....

[Neil M]

Fair enough the csl is a car built for the track but at the same time it is a collectors car. It would be a crime to track a low mileage mint example if that's what you want to do then you might as well buy a high miler to abuse

Low mileage examples are usually the worst in terms of their service history. Four such examples have been sold by BMW UK, every one of which was a press car (2 to go) which were taken to the limit around tracks in the interests of promoting the car. Deduced - all that glistens is not gold!:thumbs:

Don't worry about collectors, they already have theirs squirreled away, only 359 were ever road registered by the DVLA. :whistle:

[custom-d]

back to the top please. I would prefer seasoned CSL owners views....not a hairdresser/estate agent. much obliged.

Infact I remember you from last year, I went to view two csls one of which you had already viewed in Essex which you thought was 'not a bad car' turns out after viewing the car it was another pile of crap and needed paint from front to back and someone had been cramming a wheelchair in the boot! So if your current one is half as 'clean' as the one in Essex I bet it's a corker :bigcry:
sod it I'll even find the pm's and put then on here before I get called a liar again by the other jumped up poster !

[custom-d]

sure. not a bad car but needs wheels refurbing and one of the front tyres is cracked. so that needs doing as an 07 year tyre. other 3 seemed fine.

good low mileage car and new diff plus recent service.

kept outside but not driven much and owner dean seems very genuine. gets a bad back from the seats and wants to go E92 M3.

its up for 29k but has movement.

I went for the cheaper higher mileage one as I got it for sub 20k and I only do around 1000-1500 miles per year in a 3rd car so having that extra 10k in the bank is handy.

bit peppered around the rear arches down low which suggests it may have done some track work.

hope that helps NW

[custom-d]

So seems my estimate of 20k isn't quite in dream land as you lot make out. :gayfight:

[Yanto]

A market moves ;)

[custom-d]

A market moves ;)

As I said 20k

[Yanto]

As I said 20k

:thumbs:

[Graham]

Where's that popcorn gif :bigcry:

[Yanto]

As I said 20k

And I will buy as many £20k cars as you can find :smokin:

[custom-d]

And I will buy as many £20k cars as you can find :smokin:

Then spend another 5k making it mint and you got yourself a right bargain :bigcry:

[Rick H]

You asked me to show you a 8k mile M3 which the last time I looked at the badge on the boot that's what it was. And as for the price I have already been offered 4k more than I paid from a well know m3 specialist so if a dealer can offer me that without even seeing the car then I think I win this one. :hahaha:

Sorry mate but having an opinion isn't a substitute for having a CSL - so how do you win :banghead::banghead::banghead:???? You seem to be saying I could have bought a CSL but I chose an M3 'vert because it didn't look tired. Your argument's flawed to the core - if you're so concerned about the condition of the car (which appears to be your main premise), then why buy an aged M3 'vert? Surely you'd buy something new - not exactly a driver's car is it? The comparison between an M3 'vert and a CSL is laughable, chalk and cheese. There's no denying there's a wiff of "playing the pink oboe" about the M3 'vert (I'm just saying! I own a "hairdresser's" 'vert myself :gayfight:) whereas it's unlikely anyone will even notice the CSL - it's not for boosting flagging egos. Turn up at the pub in the 'vert and people aren't going to think "petrolhead" are they? Unlike the 'vert, the CSL's not a car to be seen in - it's for people who couldn't give a stuff about being seen, it's about sensation :supz:; thats why it costs more. The fact it's become a collector's car, or perhaps more correctly a speculator's car is by the by really, it is what it is.

[mr sagman]

Im just not convinced about the desirability of an M3 Conv.. Regardless of the mileage! Its arguably the ugly sister of the E46 range.. It handles the worst, it is the slowest.. It has the chav image (rightly or wrongly), It's also hardly a rare car, If it was an ultra low mileage CS then I could understand it, If you seriously got offered £4 or £5k more than you paid for it then I think you are a little bit crazy to of refused., as that would of been another £5k towards a proper drivers car like a CSL:thumbs:
Seriously if you're happy with it thats all that really matters.

[shimmy]

Billy says Verts are cool.

I think I saw Billy and Adem cruising down Hamstead High St the other day with the top down and I must say they looked pretty cool.


:smokin:


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[sjb]

You asked me to show you a 8k mile M3 which the last time I looked at the badge on the boot that's what it was. And as for the price I have already been offered 4k more than I paid from a well know m3 specialist so if a dealer can offer me that without even seeing the car then I think I win this one. :hahaha:

If you are as savvy as you are trying to make out then I'd bite his hand off because in 6 months time your car will have lost £4k. All of a sudden even a lower end CSL make sense.

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Condition is everything with these cars more so the csl being a collectors car, a collector such as myself would want the car perfect for it to command a high price. I'm not worried about how the car drives at speed etc as it will spend most of its life being pottered around in an do very little mileage and certainly never see a track etc. I wouldn't want a car that had been thrashed or tracked and being the type of car the csl is most of them have had a hard life and been driven hard.

The tracked cars are better looked after, if anything goes wrong fixed straight away just ask giraffe he looks after most of the cars on this site, and they were built to be used hard.

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Fair enough the csl is a car built for the track but at the same time it is a collectors car. It would be a crime to track a low mileage mint example if that's what you want to do then you might aswell buy a high miler to abuse

Mine is a low mileage (20K) car but only used on track so used and abused as you put it, but well looked after by ELM's and if I ever come to sell it could still be worth more than I paid for it, with all the fun of track days with the boys it is a no brainer :whistle:

[mr sagman]

Surely life is too short to keep a car like a CSL in the garage wrapped in cotton wool for the next owner! I bought my CSL to drive and enjoy and don't give a shit about the mileage increasing, as I bought it for me, not the next owner.
If your concerned about depreciation buy a property.. If you wanna have fun buy a CSL.

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Surely life is too short to keep a car like a CSL in the garage wrapped in cotton wool for the next owner! I bought my CSL to drive and enjoy and don't give a shit about the mileage increasing, as I bought it for me, not the next owner.
If your concerned about depreciation buy a property.. If you wanna have fun buy a CSL.

:thumbs:

[Rick H]

Surely life is too short to keep a car like a CSL in the garage wrapped in cotton wool for the next owner! I bought my CSL to drive and enjoy and don't give a shit about the mileage increasing, as I bought it for me, not the next owner.
If your concerned about depreciation buy a property.. If you wanna have fun buy a CSL.

+1 :supz:

[shimmy]

Surely life is too short to keep a car like a CSL in the garage wrapped in cotton wool for the next owner! I bought my CSL to drive and enjoy and don't give a shit about the mileage increasing, as I bought it for me, not the next owner.
If your concerned about depreciation buy a property.. If you wanna have fun buy a CSL.

Welcome to the Register :):supz:

[cslsuperfan]

Surely life is too short to keep a car like a CSL in the garage wrapped in cotton wool for the next owner! I bought my CSL to drive and enjoy and don't give a shit about the mileage increasing, as I bought it for me, not the next owner.
If your concerned about depreciation buy a property.. If you wanna have fun buy a CSL.

I agree. There is however a little apprehension when I drive the car with commitment....just in case things go tits up...and that is down to the car's value....that said half a dozen laps of the ring last year followed by my son showing me how it's done in my car!! is a move in the right direction:thumbs:

[custom-d]

It's because I'm a fussy bugger as simple as that, I wanted the best possible car that I could find and I have always loved the e46 m3 in all models. I wanted as near to as new an m3 as I could possibly have got and am happy with my purchase. Yes I would have loved a csl with under 25k miles but to get one with these miles let alone 8k is now unfortunately out of my league price wise.Yes I could have gone for a csl with 60k or 70k miles but because I am so particular I just wasn't happy with the condition.

[mattCSLnut]

Surely life is too short to keep a car like a CSL in the garage wrapped in cotton wool for the next owner! I bought my CSL to drive and enjoy and don't give a shit about the mileage increasing, as I bought it for me, not the next owner.
If your concerned about depreciation buy a property.. If you wanna have fun buy a CSL.

+ 1 :supz:

[plumber vic]

Surely life is too short to keep a car like a CSL in the garage wrapped in cotton wool for the next owner! I bought my CSL to drive and enjoy and don't give a shit about the mileage increasing, as I bought it for me, not the next owner.
If your concerned about depreciation buy a property.. If you wanna have fun buy a CSL.

That just about sums it up:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

[Trawler]

Just off to the 72nd members meeting to watch all those tracked & abused cars. Hopefully I can make a few offers & pick up a few cheap cars.

[Trawler]

It's because I'm a fussy bugger as simple as that, I wanted the best possible car that I could find and I have always loved the e46 m3 in all models. I wanted as near to as new an m3 as I could possibly have got and am happy with my purchase. Yes I would have loved a csl with under 25k miles but to get one with these miles let alone 8k is now unfortunately out of my league price wise.Yes I could have gone for a csl with 60k or 70k miles but because I am so particular I just wasn't happy with the condition.

I'm a fussy bugger as well & it took me nearly a year to find mine. Ended up with a car that had been tracked over so called one owner, car in perfect condition, etc. Car had been looked after & had an inspection before each track day. If you like driving more than having something to look at drive a Cesil and you will save your pennies to get one. Had mine nearly 8 years now.

[CraigMillwardCroft]

It's because I'm a fussy bugger as simple as that, I wanted the best possible car that I could find and I have always loved the e46 m3 in all models. I wanted as near to as new an m3 as I could possibly have got and am happy with my purchase. Yes I would have loved a csl with under 25k miles but to get one with these miles let alone 8k is now unfortunately out of my league price wise.Yes I could have gone for a csl with 60k or 70k miles but because I am so particular I just wasn't happy with the condition.

I brought mine for 32K with 14K on the clock, the guy I brought it from was to worried to have the car chipped by road driving or even stolen while out and about, even had all the front end, mirrors and rear arch's redone by BMW, have owned mine 3 years now and you should see the front end now, but what fun I have had especially on the Munich trip last year shame we could not get the track day in, not enough of us on this forum who will track there cars. :thumbs:

[glendog74]

Billy says Verts are cool.

I think I saw Billy and Adem cruising down Hamstead High St the other day with the top down and I must say they looked pretty cool.


:smokin:


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Lol! :gayfight:

Welcome to the Register :):supz:

:supz:

At times when I'm in a very dark place emotionally, I've thought to myself that M3 verts seem quite a cool proposition for the summer months... Then I give myself a stern talking to in the mirror. :bigcry:

[custom-d]

I brought mine for 32K with 14K on the clock, the guy I brought it from was to worried to have the car chipped by road driving or even stolen while out and about, even had all the front end, mirrors and rear arch's redone by BMW, have owned mine 3 years now and you should see the front end now, but what fun I have had especially on the Munich trip last year shame we could not get the track day in, not enough of us on this forum who will track there cars. :thumbs:

Good on you if you can use it and not worry about it. For me it's alot of money to have tied up in a car and would want to preserve it the best I could, and sounds like you gave a very fair price back then. Would bring you a tidy profit now no doubt about that.

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Felt that guilty about abusing my car that I cut the grass round it, cleaned it, filled it with fuel then started it to leave running, and the EML and DSC light are both on, did also have a Run flat light on too, but that is always coming on so pushed the button again. :banghead:

[shimmy]

Mine is hardly used and stays protected most of its life. From a few feet away it looks like it almost hasn't been driven anywhere. But it has done a few miles at half throttle.

[Steve B]

I couldn't spend aload of £££ on a car to let her sit there moth balled, may as well put a pile of cash on the garage floor at least you can walk around it easier lol...

Steve

[_Nathan_]

Bought mine at 3.5k miles, cherished example, only 41k miles on it now.

[glendog74]

Bought mine at 3.5k miles, cherished example, only 41k miles on it now.

:supz: :whistle:

[s.mac]

Bounce does loads of track days but his car is mint :smokin:








He does drive like miss daisy :whistle:

[glendog74]

Bounce does loads of track days but his car is mint :smokin:








He does drive like miss daisy :whistle:

+1 :whistle:

:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

[Trawler]

Good on you if you can use it and not worry about it. For me it's alot of money to have tied up in a car and would want to preserve it the best I could, and sounds like you gave a very fair price back then. Would bring you a tidy profit now no doubt about that.

I can relate to that as I don't have money to burn and I like to look after my car but I just get so much fun from driving it that it out weighs a pebble dashed bonnet. Go drive one & you will see what we mean.

[shane@mbtech]

Bounce does loads of track days but his car is mint :smokin:








He does drive like miss daisy :whistle:

Miss daisy was driven Steve, so just like Brett, she can't drive either.:blalalala:

[Bounce]

Bounce does loads of track days but his car is mint :smokin:








He does drive like miss daisy :whistle:

+1 :whistle:

:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

Miss daisy was driven Steve, so just like Brett, she can't drive either.:blalalala:Bunch of twats :birdman:

[0836whimper]

I can relate to that as I don't have money to burn and I like to look after my car but I just get so much fun from driving it that it out weighs a pebble dashed bonnet. Go drive one & you will see what we mean.

Ain't that the truth !

[custom-d]

Ain't that the truth !

You would think that you wouldn't really get lots of stonechips on track as it would be clear from stones or is it more if you end up in the gravel? I'm getting 3m paint protection film fitted to the front end of mine this week to protect it as the car doesn't have any chips and has never had any paint! being silver can be a nightmare to get it to match spot on as well

[0836whimper]

I've had the front end re-done by BMW and the flippers redone too (by Mark), then took it to Paintshield and had their self-healing film applied to the whole front and roof. It's not cheap, but some serious machinery gets that stuff added in their workshop....'that' P1 clip was filmed there.

So best of both worlds now, satisifies my OCD in having a blemish free car and it can be driven properly too (mandatory), including the odd trackday. It's following cars very close that kick stuff up that seemes to cause any nicks to the bumper which is prone as it has such a large painted surface area.

Some collector's cars wouldn't be 'worth' driving too much as they are better to own and look at, the CSL is just not like that. It's way too good to drive.

[Mike R]

Most people buy a CSL to use as BMW intended. It does seem a crying shame that the only thing you want a CSL for is as an investment.

Mine is kept immaculate - what-ever it needs it gets, but it is regularly used on track. I try and keep the miles down as much as possible, but have still managed over 6000 this year. When the sun comes out, so does the CSL LOL.

[CraigMillwardCroft]

You would think that you wouldn't really get lots of stonechips on track as it would be clear from stones or is it more if you end up in the gravel? I'm getting 3m paint protection film fitted to the front end of mine this week to protect it as the car doesn't have any chips and has never had any paint! being silver can be a nightmare to get it to match spot on as well

If your pushing the person if front very closely they can kick all sorts of stuff up ;)

[ZKMI]

In answer to the OP I think 28k is a good price for it and its worth more than that imo
I would rather have fun in a csl than a bland e90 m3 for similar money.
Are csl parts harder to find now?

[thrashermax]

Entertaining thread at the beginning then turned weird with someone talking about a girl's car... anyway, £22k for the 112k CSL then £25k for my 102k miler ;)

It's worth what anyone will pay. I wouldn't sell mine, I couldn't find another daily that would make me smile as much. I love my car so much, best car I've had.

The only vert I've had is E30 325. E46 M3 vert is not my cup of tea but each to their own. I drive mine every day in all weathers, flippers need attention, wheels need refurb but who sees them when I drive past!

I bought mine to drive, enjoy and beat depreciation in the process!

[MCSL]

I would rather have fun in a csl than a bland e90 m3 for similar money.


e90 M3 - didn't rate it at all on test drive. 2011 DCT (non-edc). Realllllly wanted to buy one... until i drove it.

[_Nathan_]

In answer to the OP I think 28k is a good price for it and its worth more than that imo
I would rather have fun in a csl than a bland e90 m3 for similar money.
Are csl parts harder to find now?

Different cars, e90 is a 4 door family car that is CSL fast (or faster) in a straight line, skids for England and has the best engine BMW have ever put in a 3 series. For track use CSL is better sure, for everyday road use I'd rather have an e90. For a sunny day car only removing the daily driver part of the equation then CSL makes a better case for itself but to make it quick on track you make it worse on the road to the point where long journeys are tiresome.

I did 6.5 hours in a CSL recently for a mate, the B roads at the end of the journey it was awesome, the rest of it an e90 with EDC set to comfort would've been just as fast, more comfy and far better tech.

Maybe I'm just getting old :whistle:

Anyway, e90 M3 can be had a lot cheaper than CSLs, selling mine at the moment and would take 17.5k for it :beer: Could have an e90 M3 and a track prepped e46 for the same money as a CSL...

I do think the e90 takes longer to "get" though, a test drive doesn't reveal it's talents as readily as a CSL does.

[derek]

Different cars, e90 is a 4 door family car that is CSL fast (or faster) in a straight line, skids for England and has the best engine BMW have ever put in a 3 series. For track use CSL is better sure, for everyday road use I'd rather have an e90. For a sunny day car only removing the daily driver part of the equation then CSL makes a better case for itself but to make it quick on track you make it worse on the road to the point where long journeys are tiresome.

I did 6.5 hours in a CSL recently for a mate, the B roads at the end of the journey it was awesome, the rest of it an e90 with EDC set to comfort would've been just as fast, more comfy and far better tech.

Maybe I'm just getting old :whistle:

Anyway, e90 M3 can be had a lot cheaper than CSLs, selling mine at the moment and would take 17.5k for it :beer: Could have an e90 M3 and a track prepped e46 for the same money as a CSL...

I do think the e90 takes longer to "get" though, a test drive doesn't reveal it's talents as readily as a CSL does.

Anyone got a track prepared e46 and looking for a CSL as part of a swap please contact me

[glendog74]

Anyone got a track prepared e46 and looking for a CSL as part of a swap please contact me

Why not track prep your CSL? :supz:

[derek]

Why not track prep your CSL? :supz:
Not a bad idea Rob I did think about that the other day if the GTR sells. I thought about £5k would fit a roll cage, seats and poly bush the car so its a possibility. My csl just had a new vanos and going great so it would be a good base. But it's a lot of money tied up in a track car.

Just feels its a bit of a waste hopefully pick up a well sorted E46 and have some cash to do track days. I think "TRACK M3"red m3 would have been ideal. I wouldn't care if panels got dented on a track car but the csl has all original panels no dings or dent.

[cslsuperfan]

Why not track prep your CSL? :supz:

Go on Derek:thumbs:

Rear Cage just as effective as full cage and also avoids carving up the dash.

(keep the interior!)

You could reverse the work with no harm done if you decided to sell.

Plus you'd have a few goodies to sell on to the forum!!

[glendog74]

Just feels its a bit of a waste

It's what the CSL was designed to do mate ;)

[derek]

It's what the CSL was designed to do mate ;)
I know but the csl should have been sold with cage and harnesses same as GT3. If I got a sorted e46 track car it should be better than csl and fraction of cost and I wouldn't care if I binned it.

[outnumbered]

Personally, if I wanted a track car, I'd buy a cheap E46 M3, throw out the interior, fit BBK and suspension, rather than modify a CSL. Must be nearly doable for under 10 grand by now ?

Then you don't really have to worry about wrecking it either.

[derek]

Personally, if I wanted a track car, I'd buy a cheap E46 M3, throw out the interior, fit BBK and suspension, rather than modify a CSL. Must be nearly doable for under 10 grand by now ?

Then you don't really have to worry about wrecking it either.

thats my plan hope to get one that has been prepared at bit, if i can get one with bbk and suspension upgrade will leave mine on the csl

[Mike R]

I know but the csl should have been sold with cage and harnesses same as GT3. If I got a sorted e46 track car it should be better than csl and fraction of cost and I wouldn't care if I binned it.

You sound like you belong on the "cutters" forum :blalalala:.

CSLs are designed for the track - pointless having one just as a garage queen :gayfight:.

At the last BMW car club track day at Snetterton, they had E36 / E46 M3 full on race-cars with slicks. The CSL scalped them all :hahaha: :supz:.

[_Nathan_]

You sound like you belong on the "cutters" forum :blalalala:.

CSLs are designed for the track - pointless having one just as a garage queen :gayfight:.

At the last BMW car club track day at Snetterton, they had E36 / E46 M3 full on race-cars with slicks. The CSL scalped them all :hahaha: :supz:.

That says more about those specific cars and drivers than it does about anything else :thumbs:

[Graham]

Yeah like Nathan said, I can comfortably stay with some CSL's, most are a good battle, get the odd few like Shimmy, 83SY that are just silly quick :hahaha:

I agree with Derek well sorted M3 you will be as capable for a lot less money and not worried about denting it. 2nd hand market is ridiculously busy for them right now

[Mike R]

Ah, the old CSL Register double standards ;). When a "Cutter" insinuates that a stripped out standard M3 is as good as CSL they get ripped to shreds, but when a CSL Register member says the same, it is suddenly true :blalalala: :whistle:. Does not compute :clown:.

[outnumbered]

Ah, the old CSL Register double standards ;). When a "Cutter" insinuates that a stripped out standard M3 is as good as CSL they get ripped to shreds, but when a CSL Register member says the same, it is suddenly true :blalalala: :whistle:. Does not compute :clown:.

It all depends dunnit ?

Standard M3 with stripped interior, BBK and uprated suspension is going to be better on track than a stock CSL.

Mod both cars to the same level, and the CSL will be better because it has more power and less weight to start with.

And taking the piss out of Cutters is just part of the job description of any CSL owner :)

[shimmy]

Ah, the old CSL Register double standards ;). When a "Cutter" insinuates that a stripped out standard M3 is as good as CSL they get ripped to shreds, but when a CSL Register member says the same, it is suddenly true :blalalala: :whistle:. Does not compute :clown:.

Mike

No double standards. Cutters are wrong, we (CSLR members) are right. Any subject, any statement. Easy :)

[0836whimper]

I wouldn't modify a CSL now, they are good enough out of the box on the track and worth more as standard.

If you really need to go faster on a track and not worry about the ever increasing value of a CSL, M3's are cheap enough to buy and modify.

Would never sell the CSL though.

[shimmy]

Gayers.....it's just a car. I'd sell mine tomorrow of needed to. Luckily I've got three kids I can sell first before CSL has to go.

[Trawler]

Gayers.....it's just a car. I'd sell mine tomorrow of needed to. Luckily I've got three kids I can sell first before CSL has to go.

Someone who understands what a csl is all about. And you thought he was mad having three kids.

[glendog74]

Someone who understands what a csl is all about. And you thought he was mad having three kids.

Annoyingly I didn't heed Shimmy's warning and now have 3 kids at home too... :bigcry:

X5 7 seater incoming!!! :thumbs:

[shimmy]

Annoyingly I didn't heed Shimmy's warning and now have 3 kids at home too... :bigcry:

X5 7 seater incoming!!! :thumbs:

Jeeez you've been busy mate:beer:

Time to get a proper hobby :supz:

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Mike

No double standards. Cutters are wrong, we (CSLR members) are right. Any subject, any statement. Easy :)

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha: :thumbs:

[Bounce]

Mike

No double standards. Cutters are wrong, we (CSLR members) are right. Any subject, any statement. Easy :):beer::beer:

[s.mac]

Yeah like Nathan said, I can comfortably stay with some CSL's, most are a good battle, get the odd few like Shimmy, 83SY that are just silly quick

:whistle:

I never saw 83SY on track but Shimmy quick ? Not bad but :whistle:

[shane@mbtech]

I've lightened my M3, fitted a carbon airbox, it's better than most of your Csl rot boxes :whistle:

[shimmy]

:whistle:

I never saw 83SY on track but Shimmy quick ? Not bad but :whistle:

Like you suggest I've got some work to do to get up to your speed and skill level :finga:


















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[Graham]

Ah, the old CSL Register double standards ;). When a "Cutter" insinuates that a stripped out standard M3 is as good as CSL they get ripped to shreds, but when a CSL Register member says the same, it is suddenly true :blalalala: :whistle:. Does not compute :clown:.
I've always said it…CSL is a beautiful car and no doubt more capable when both in standard form.

The battle for me when choosing was to spend less on an E46 M3 and make it more capable for less money, or buy a CSL and be throwing 25k+ round a track, I chose the M3…

I'm not saying everyone should do the same as that would make things boring but even as a CSL owner you cannot deny the advantages to buying an M3 for 8k buying a few choice mods and make it as capable as a CSL on track for a lot less money, plus if the worst happens it's a hell of a lot cheaper and easier to source parts. Which I guess is what Derek is looking at.

[Mike R]

As Shimmy says, it's just a car, so I will continue to use it as BMW intended - if I wanted an ornament I would have bought some Royal Doulton :gayfight: :blalalala:.

[Graham]

I respect that, cars are definetly to be used :thumbs:

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Like you suggest I've got some work to do to get up to your speed and skill level :finga:
















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Not his quickest lap :whistle:

[s.mac]

I was joking Shimmy, that's a bit fecking harsh !!






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[shimmy]

I was joking Shimmy, that's a bit fecking harsh !!






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I've heard you northerners have a thick skin! :whistle:

[shane@mbtech]

I've heard you northerners have a thick skin! :whistle:

We need to, in order to tolerate you southern fucking fairies :blalalala:

[shimmy]

We need to, in order to tolerate you southern fucking fairies :blalalala:

Your not northern, you is a scouser.:smokin:

[shane@mbtech]

Your not northern, you is a scouser.:smokin:

Agreed, almost like living in a different country :hahaha:

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Your not northern, you is a scouser.:smokin:

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha: