Whose idea was it to fit cups OMG

[J2LTB]

So tonight after hours of winter refurbing. I drove cesil out of the warm garage and down to the local petrol station.

What the ????????? Cups are lethal ! A gritter was coming the other way so i took avoiding measures. I was shocked at the lack of grip and traction. I checked the pressures and set to 2.4bar 35 psi.

Think ill wait till its abit warmer and reserve final judgement. PSS next im thinking :gayfight:

[shimmy]

So tonight after hours of winter refurbing. I drove cesil out of the warm garage and down to the local petrol station.

What the ????????? Cups are lethal ! A gritter was coming the other way so i took avoiding measures. I was shocked at the lack of grip and traction. I checked the pressures and set to 2.4bar 35 psi.

Think ill wait till its abit warmer and reserve final judgement. PSS next im thinking :gayfight:


Gayer............:hahaha:

[Pooky]

MTFU

[J2LTB]

Man up lol. I expected that ! Just shocked at the change between vredestein ultrac sessanta's. It's like driving on ice in the dry !

[Neil M]

The clue was the gritter:

[sjb]

Also maybe the pressure is a little high? Shimmy advised me around 30-32 HOT for the road...

[J2LTB]

The clue was the gritter:

I don't have the sticker !!!! That's first time I've paid attention to it as never ran cups before !

As regards tyre pressures I checked the door sticker. Says 2.4 bar all round.
So do most people run slightly less then ?

[Rick H]

If Cups are used outside recommended conditions, is insurance negated?

[glendog74]

If Cups are used outside recommended conditions, is insurance negated?

They are an OEM supplied road legal tyre so I would think not.

[J2LTB]

If Cups are used outside recommended conditions, is insurance negated?

Interesting point. But that would apply to most cars as they have summer tyres fitted. That's the way England could go if insurers insist on winter tyres in these temperatures.

Bring on the summer

[Neil M]

If Cups are used outside recommended conditions, is insurance negated?

Correct, that's the sole purpose of the sticker is as an advisory notice, if you have an accident through not adhering to the stipulated conditions of use, you're effectively up the Swanee!
You have been Warned, it's a get out of jail card for the insurance companies. :(

So many were removed during the course of initial PDI's (big Dealer mistake). Others have been removed during changes in ownership etc.
Some owners are probable unaware of its existence, if you don't have one - then I would advise you to get one, Mark CSL has some reproductions available. :-D

[sjb]

I don't have the sticker !!!! That's first time I've paid attention to it as never ran cups before !

As regards tyre pressures I checked the door sticker. Says 2.4 bar all round.
So do most people run slightly less then ?

http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11365

;)

[alexk]

Correct, that's the sole purpose of the sticker is as an advisory notice, if you have an accident through not adhering to the stipulated conditions of use, you're effectively up the Swanee!
You have been Warned, it's a get out of jail card for the insurance companies. :(

So many were removed during the course of initial PDI's (big Dealer mistake). Others have been removed during changes in ownership etc.
Some owners are probable unaware of its existence, if you don't have one - then I would advise you to get one, Mark CSL has some reproductions available. :-D

Neil why do you say that the sticker is good to have ?

[shimmy]

Correct, that's the sole purpose of the sticker is as an advisory notice, if you have an accident through not adhering to the stipulated conditions of use, you're effectively up the Swanee!
You have been Warned, it's a get out of jail card for the insurance companies. :(
:-D

Neil The advisory is for BMW benefit and has nothiing to do with Dvla or insurance cover. it is DoT and E marked and legal on the road no matter where and when you drive with them. Even legal in Germany 12 months a year.

[Neil M]

Neil why do you say that the sticker is good to have ?

Quite simply, because the sticker is a warning about the use of the Michelin Cup Tyre issued by the vehicle manufacturer BMW, advising/informing the owner as to the conditions/limitations of their use, whoever that may be.
To knowing remove a warning sticker is irresponsible, it was put there for a specific purpose, not as a piece of ornamentation or decoration. :whistle:

[alexk]

It is my opinion that we are making the problem bigger than it is.
I dont see why I should put a sticker in my car warning someone else to be careful with cup tyres. Also i dont see why the bmw dealer did a mistake removing the sticker from my car.
Did i need a sticker to tell me driving with these tyres when there is heavy rain is a problem ?
Irresponsible sounds heavy.

[73CSL]

if a tyre is sold & approved as road legal, then it's road legal and won't effect an insurance claim unless they can show its an undeclared modification ( which I think would only apply if the tyre size differered from original spec )

[shane@mbtech]

Some serious bullshit is spouted on here nowadays :whistle:


They do say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. :supz:

[LeinsCSL]

Goddammit! My car came from the factory on double-spokes, so I'm missing out on the danger danger sticker too :(

[shimmy]

some serious bullshit is spouted on here nowadays :whistle:


They do say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. :supz:

danger will bailey!!!!!!

[glendog74]

Some serious bullshit is spouted on here nowadays :whistle:


They do say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. :supz:

+1 :moan:

[outnumbered]

My car is on winter tyres, and they don't have any grip either !

[cslsuperfan]

Cups are epic

The End

[0836whimper]

Correct, that's the sole purpose of the sticker is as an advisory notice
True (obviously)


, if you have an accident through not adhering to the stipulated conditions of use, you're effectively up the Swanee!
You have been Warned, it's a get out of jail card for the insurance companies. :(

Complete bollocks

[mattCSLnut]

Cups are epic

The End
You are correct Sir :smokin: so long as one uses "Common Sense" and refrains from any heroics on public roads during winter months :whistle:

[J2LTB]

My car is on winter tyres, and they don't have any fucking grip either !

Heat wave on Sunday 17 degrees :supz:

Sorry love it's Cesil time.

[J2LTB]

You are correct Sir :smokin: so long as one uses "Common Sense" and refrains from any heroics on public roads during winter months :whistle:

I can adhere to this but I was shocked at how poor they were in last nights conditions.

[shimmy]

I can adhere to this but I was shocked at how poor they were in last nights conditions.

Man up dude.............:-D

[mattCSLnut]

Man up dude.............:-D
:hahaha: ditto :-D

[DazBlackCSL]

Some serious bullshit is spouted on here nowadays :whistle:


They do say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. :supz:

:smokin: :partyman:

[deanobeano]

Real Men keep there CSL's locked up in the garage over the winter...

Mines not coming back out till mid April - after me holidays...

[glendog74]

Real Men keep there CSL's locked up in the garage over the winter...

Mines not coming back out till mid April - after me holidays...

Lol!

Mine is coming out next month too for a subframe check :bigcry:

[shane@mbtech]

Lol!

Mine is coming out next month too for a subframe check :bigcry:

No need, I'm pretty sure your subframe is still there. :whistle:

Your boot floor however may be cracked, are you doing it yourself Rob?

I've just stripped subframe off mine. 51 plate with 60k, no cracks whatsoever.


I'm plating it for good measure.

[Fasteddie]

Is this subframe issue really that common? Is it an easy thing to check? Mine is coming out of hibernation next month to, new clutch but do I get the rear sub checked?

[Trawler]

Is this subframe issue really that common? Is it an easy thing to check? Mine is coming out of hibernation next month to, new clutch but do I get the rear sub checked?

Get it checked before the 10 years is up & by someone who knows what they are looking for

[glendog74]

No need, I'm pretty sure your subframe is still there. :whistle:

Your boot floor however may be cracked, are you doing it yourself Rob?


Lol! Fair one.

A 'trusted' BMW dealership are doing it and that of my standard M3.

Get it checked before the 10 years is up & by someone who knows what they are looking for

+1 :whistle:

[Pip1968]

True (obviously)


Complete bollocks

I agree. NeilM is officially a sheep worrier.

Pip :119: