anyone do their own valve adjustment

[devam]

is it easy? is it every 30k miles?

cheers

[shimmy]

piece of piss.

adjustable spanner and lump hammer....job done!

[devam]

Ok, thanks for that. What's a lump hammer?

[devam]

oh lump hammer i see now i'll take it steady

[shimmy]

oh lump hammer i see now i'll take it steady

just kidding, I don't really open the bonnet!!!

what symptoms does loose cam bolts give you?

[Graham]

I gave it a go before, to be honest if you have a friendly garage near you it's easier just to give it to them

It was a headache making sure I'd checked, double checked, triple checked and that was just measuring the clearances never mind actually changing them

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b112/GrahamVFR/BMW%20M3/Random/dd5c16b4.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b112/GrahamVFR/BMW%20M3/Random/a5321232.jpg

[devam]

thanks for that, i wonder if the mechanics would do a good job?

the cam bolts come loose apparently, and then shear. there was a replacement upgrade of stronger bolts fitted with loc tite but i don't know if the csl had that as standard or if it was something that had to be done. Has anybody checked their cam bolts?

[DazBlackCSL]

piece of piss.

adjustable spanner and lump hammer....job done!

Was gonna post more or less the same :-D

[Graham]

Devam where are you? I know a good independent garage that do a good job as they did mine for a fraction of what BMW would charge.

Failing that there's a guy on M3cutters that has done loads of peoples nows so just depends where you are really

[devam]

Australia, they charge $175 per hour, bmw here.

[Graham]

Wow :119:

[devam]

i will have a go one day, every 20 to 30 k miles needs valve done correct? Are you in uk Graham? I did watch a vid about how you need a spreadsheet for the valves, is that what you started to do. I have had trouble with mechanics with my other vehicles, they just don't care much these days.

Do you know anything about the cam bolt issue for csl, i have read they have had them coming loose.

cheers

[Monkey]

i will have a go one day, every 20 to 30 k miles needs valve done correct? Are you in uk Graham? I did watch a vid about how you need a spreadsheet for the valves, is that what you started to do. I have had trouble with mechanics with my other vehicles, they just don't care much these days.

Do you know anything about the cam bolt issue for csl, i have read they have had them coming loose.

cheers


Hi Devam,

Valves clearances need to be done every 30,000 miles, so on each Inspection service. If your Inspection services are due on time rather than mileage it's not unusual to carry out 2 oil services inbetween Inspections.

We use a valve clearance sheet when we do them, purely to keep track of which ones have been done and to keep a record of which shims need re-ordering from the shim kit. We also give the sheet to the customer, which goes some way to reassuring them we've done the valve clearances.

I will say if you're not fully comfortable in doing them, do not do them! you can cause damage to the engine, so better to find someone who knows what they are doing.

As for the cam bolts, yes they can come loose. With the rocker cover removed you will see the Vanos gears at the front of the engine. There are 6 bolts on each Vanos gear, so you can check the tightness of 3 on both inlet and exhaust side, before turning the engine over so the other 3 on each side are accessible. Again worth marking the bolts as you do them so you know which ones you have done.

Hope that helps:)

Regards
James

[devam]

Thanks James,


so when you check the cam bolts, can you get a spanner in that gap. Or just fingers? To turn the motor over do you start it and can you start it with the rocker cover off?

I see what you mean about giving the customer the spreadsheet, that would be reassuring. Also I guess I have to have all my services done professional for resale. Oh well that saved me a job.

Thanks again.

Dave

[devam]

James


Sorry I forgot to ask, so the process you were describing to check the cam bolts, that is simpler than removing vanos to get full access to all cam bolts? I did read somewhere that there is that short cut to check the tightness, can you get a torque wrench onto them via the short cut?

If you have another minute.. vanos bearing/ pump should be checked or renewed. Will lead to bearing seizure and shearing of exhaust vanos lugs, and then the lugs can fall into timing chain? And a check/ replace of the small vanos filter is good too?

Thanks again for your knowledge much appreciated only had the car 6 months or so. Have many more questions but i better give you a spell.

cheers from Down under

Dave

[Monkey]

James


Sorry I forgot to ask, so the process you were describing to check the cam bolts, that is simpler than removing vanos to get full access to all cam bolts? I did read somewhere that there is that short cut to check the tightness, can you get a torque wrench onto them via the short cut?

If you have another minute.. vanos bearing/ pump should be checked or renewed. Will lead to bearing seizure and shearing of exhaust vanos lugs, and then the lugs can fall into timing chain? And a check/ replace of the small vanos filter is good too?

Thanks again for your knowledge much appreciated only had the car 6 months or so. Have many more questions but i better give you a spell.

cheers from Down under

Dave


Hi Dave,

See attached photo. These are the 12 bolts that need to be checked. The are easily accesible with the rocker cover removed. The safest way to turn the engine over is to do so with a socket via the crankshaft pulley. Does involve removing a few bits though. You can leave the car in gear and rock it forwards also. If you do find any bolts loose it may be worth replacing them all. One at a time for obvious reasons:) There is a special tool to torque them up with, they should be 14nm.

The oil drive you speak of is driven from the 2 lugs coming out of the exhaust sprocket on the picture attached (the left side). Not much you can do apart from visually inspecting them really. I've seen no failures personally.

The Vanos filter is on the right hand side upper of the Vanos unit as you look at it, 22mm socket. Just pull it out with a cloth underneath, clean it out and refit. Replace if damaged.

Hope that helps

Regards
James

[devam]

Thanks again James,

thanks for your help

Dave

[Olive]

On the same subject. Does somebody knows the values and the tolerance for each valves ?
I will check the valves adjustment and I need to know it.:beer:

[Chad]

On the same subject. Does somebody knows the values and the tolerance for each valves ?
I will check the valves adjustment and I need to know it.:beer:

Hi olive, if you need any close up images of shims valves cam follows clips etc, of striped csl motor. Look in my album photos, may help fimilurise parts.

[Olive]

Thanks a lot Chad. Do you have somewhere the value from BMW ?
Same than std M3 ?

[Chad]

Thanks a lot Chad. Do you have somewhere the value from BMW ?
Same than std M3 ?

Sorry no, as I'm away, few hundred just down the coast from you Marbella, unfortunately not in the csl :smokin:

[alexk]

I can post you the tolerances later.

[select]

https://dl.dropbox.com/s/hs9to0io4wdxd91/ventilspiel.jpg

Sorry, only got it in german. But i have marked the important bits.

Blue is Inlet Valve
Red is Outlet Valve

Also note, that it says that Water Temperature shouldn't exceed 35°C when doing the adjustment.

I have no personal experience with valve adjustment, so better to wait for someone to confirm.

[Olive]

Thanks you all guys ! :thumbs:

Just left my trouble concerning seats :hahaha:

[Olive]

I am processing to full restauration of the car. Inclunding interior, full paint; engine... I will post some pictures :smt055

[alexk]

As per the above, that's the adjustment.

Do you want me to write a how to for the CSL valve adjustment ?

[Olive]

Thanks a lot Alex.
I am living in the south of France but sent my car near Paris for 3 months refurbishing. 1 month for the mechanic and 2 months for whole body painting. Many years in the Nürburgring (http://www.nuerburgring.de/en/home.html) scratched the paint almost everywhere and I want it like new.

Concerning the How to, the garage asked me if I know the values. It is time winning for them. So I guess (I hope :hahaha:), they will do it fine. I am confident, that is why I sent the car so far in fact :

http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/709522Garage.jpg (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=709522Garage.jpg)

[select]

Looks like it is in very good hands. Mine is littered with stone chips etc too. I call it patina. :hahaha:
I hope it won't be a garage queen after the overhaul :bigcry:

[Olive]

I do it to be able to use it again for the next 10 years. No worry for that. "Patina" is not what I prefer 😁

[Chad]

Thanks a lot Alex.
I am living in the south of France but sent my car near Paris for 3 months refurbishing. 1 month for the mechanic and 2 months for whole body painting. Many years in the Nürburgring (http://www.nuerburgring.de/en/home.html) scratched the paint almost everywhere and I want it like new.

Concerning the How to, the garage asked me if I know the values. It is time winning for them. So I guess (I hope :hahaha:), they will do it fine. I am confident, that is why I sent the car so far in fact :

http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/709522Garage.jpg (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=709522Garage.jpg)
From the photo,Looks like a lot of people trust theses guys with there pride and joys. Great mix of motors
:smt055

[Olive]

Indeed. That is why the car is 1 000Km far from me. This is my brother's DB6.:smt055

[stevenEK9]

piece of piss job to do, just need to make sure you are careful with the magnet tool when removing and refitting shims

the tool is about £10 from the dealers, only other specialist tool apart from feeler gauges you need is a mic to measure shim thickness

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj14/stevenEK9/3C415E2F-9A19-4C93-ABF7-F278EC884782-417-000000981E781B9B_zpsdde438pd.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj14/stevenEK9/19FF98C1-8487-4ABD-9121-216B3A3439A0-417-000000982EEF8E5F_zpsgnzt9u24.jpg

i measured all valve clearances and any which were out of spec i removed and measured thickness of shim then refitted it so i could continue to measure the rest

then ordered the appropriate size shims from BMW, fitted them then measured all clearances again to be sure they were spot on

the spark plug tube seals and rocker gasket are annoyingly expensive :hahaha:

only 3 shims required for mine, car was noticeably quieter after and has been tip top since

remember and remove spark plugs when doing the clearances, makes turning over the engine by hand much easier

[Olive]

Thanks a lot for your feedback !

Work has been done. Only 2 value were a little bit out of tolerance. All belts have been changed and some other pieces.

Now we are starting full body paint.
I will create a topic with pictures :smt055

[select]

Glad i could help. Looking forward to your pics. :thumbs:
Is your current paint work in such a bad shape that a full respray is needed?

[Olive]

I have my car for the last 10 years. It seems that in the past it has been used a lot on racetrack...and made some runway exit. A lot of stone chips in front bumper, all round also (mostly on left side).

My plan was to repaint only the front but when the painter saw the car he explained that not only the front need to be done but also both sides and rear due to the general aspect (in spite of my detailling !)

Finally I signed for a complete paint :thumbs:

[GregorFuk]

I have my car for the last 10 years. It seems that in the past it has been used a lot on racetrack...and made some runway exit. A lot of stone chips in front bumper, all round also (mostly on left side).

My plan was to repaint only the front but when the painter saw the car he explained that not only the front need to be done but also both sides and rear due to the general aspect (in spite of my detailling !)

Finally I signed for a complete paint :thumbs:

Let me guess. Did your painter suck through his teeth then tell you it was a difficult colour to match? I think they learn that in paint school 101.

[glendog74]

Let me guess. Did your painter suck through his teeth then tell you it was a difficult colour to match? I think they learn that in paint school 101.

:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

[Olive]

Let me be more clear. May be my traduction of the stuation was not correct.
The color was not the problem. The general aspect of the rest was more a problem considering my objective to get a perfect result.

Now may be you can call and learn them how to do :thumbs:, but before, I suggest to have a look to their work on the website. Who knows, it could help you to understand the situation :beer::

http://www.ladyartcar.fr/carrosserie-restauration-voitures-collection-seine-et-marne/

You will find the pictures sorted by model at the end of the page. The AM DB6 is belong to my brother.

[Chad]

Let me be more clear. May be my traduction of the stuation was not correct.
The color was not the problem. The general aspect of the rest was more a problem considering my objective to get a perfect result.

Now may be you can call and learn them how to do :thumbs:, but before, I suggest to have a look to their work on the website. Who knows, it could help you to understand the situation :beer::

http://www.ladyartcar.fr/carrosserie-restauration-voitures-collection-seine-et-marne/

You will find the pictures sorted by model at the end of the page. The AM DB6 is belong to my brother.
That's quality nice job, looks like you have your Csl in the right body shop :smokin:

[Olive]

Due to the bill, I hope so :hahaha::hahaha::banghead:

[shimmy]

So took mine to Raikku to do the Inspection 2, and at the same time he did the diff oil change and vanos rebuild/upgrade.

Total bill under £1k net

[shimmy]

one more

[select]

Shimmy, can you ask if the diaphragm springs are infact from the S62? That would be very helpful. :beer:

[alexk]

I did the valve adjustment recently on my own.
6 out of the 24 valves needed slight adjustment.
Running very good now.

[shimmy]

Shimmy, can you ask if the diaphragm springs are infact from the S62? That would be very helpful. :beer:

He says diaphragm springs are csl

Vanos circlip and washer for pump S62

[select]

OK, thanks for asking.:smt023

[Chad]

He says diaphragm springs are csl

Vanos circlip and washer for pump S62

Just ordered new springs myself, from BMW 7 days from Germany best part of £100 now. :bigcry: May as well never been done

[Chad]

I did the valve adjustment recently on my own.
6 out of the 24 valves needed slight adjustment.
Running very good now. did valve clearance myself a couple of weeks ago , had about same result six just out of spec, mainly exhaust, but prity much did them all,set to just above min clearance,, have to say the far number six cylinder exhaust shim is one tricky little devil to do. Had me sweating ended up taking off cam shaft cap to get to the sod ,, take my hat off to them doing it as a daily job...also ended up dropping oil pipe return copper seal some where in engine bay ,, something to watch out for when doing your own clearances. Really surprised at how little the shim wear was , only appear to wear on under side where they sit on valve, all original shims best part of 70k miles,, never needed to change any in the past,, from memory mine seems to have been put together useing shim sizes 220 to 230 shims,, of course plenty of other shims available,, ??? Wonder if this is a common size that you guys find ,, possibly useful information when pre ordering shims for your cars ..

[Monkey]

I generally find that a car will use a certain range of shims, maybe 3 or 4 all grouped together. The next car will use a group of 3 or 4, but could be a completely different group of shims.

Also depends who's been in there before:banghead:

[Chad]

I generally find that a car will use a certain range of shims, maybe 3 or 4 all grouped together. The next car will use a group of 3 or 4, but could be a completely different group of shims.

Also depends who's been in there before:banghead: love the banging head , I bet you come across some dodgy shim work, you really need to take your time checking measurements to get a really good even shim measure across the whole bank ,, I personally spent a gud few hrs doing mine. Obviously speed will come with experience and practice , personally if owner isn’t confident, I’d only leave this to a trusted tec,as above :thumbs:

[CraigMillwardCroft]

That's what the specialists are for we just drive them on track then give them to the workshops to sort out :thumbs: use to do those sort of things but now do not have the time.

[Chad]

That's what the specialists are for we just drive them on track then give them to the workshops to sort out :thumbs: use to do those sort of things but now do not have the time. nice thought Craig but I’m tight , and probably have to much time on my hands, also like to try out my handy work :thumbs: May get a drive on track next month , but in a Mercedes, my younger lad has booked a track day experience with Mercedes,, I’m only being passenger as it’s his day,, but never know could get a dive on track ,, I’ve driven most versions of the c class amg,s and the gt, but not on track , never know could get the bug. :smokin: