Alcon brake kits

[shane@mbtech]

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I have some Alcon brake kits available.





Info on front kit .......


Alcon Advantage Extreme

Spec:
• 6 piston monobloc caliper, manufactured using aerospace grade aluminum alloy delivering maximum rigidity for firm, consistent pedal travel, painted silver

• 365x32mm sealed semi floating disc and bell assembly

• stainless steel braided hoses.

• Billet 7075 aluminum bracket assemblies.

• Ferodo DSP brake pads

All mounting Hardware included



Rear kit....



Alcon Advantage Extreme

Spec:
• 4 piston monobloc caliper, manufactured using aerospace grade aluminum alloy delivering maximum rigidity for firm, consistent pedal travel, painted silver

• 343x28mm sealed disc and bell assembly

• stainless steel braided hoses.

• Billet 7075 aluminum bracket assemblies.

• Ferodo DSP pads

All mounting Hardware included




To fit these a minimum of 18" wheels is required.


£1995 front kit

£1795 rear kit

As most have a prefered pad set up, there are other pads available at additional cost

Pagid, performance friction, ferodo, Carbotech etc all available.

[shane@mbtech]

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[shane@mbtech]

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[shane@mbtech]

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[mr sagman]

This is probably a numpty question, but is it feasible to upgrade just the front and leave the rear as standard for now ? (as Im skint after Xmas), Also can you fit these? If so approx how mucho to fit?

[shane@mbtech]

This is probably a numpty question, but is it feasible to upgrade just the front and leave the rear as standard for now ? (as Im skint after Xmas), Also can you fit these? If so approx how mucho to fit?

That is exactly what my business partner is doing right now. His kit is enroute.

Most do that with the AP set-up.


Yes fitting no problem.

Prob 2hrs labour tops.

[mr sagman]

Im very interested in these.. I've got 2 x Euro trips booked for this year (no track days yet, Just fast road / Mountain passes etc, Opinions are divided with some saying just upgrade pads/ fluid/ hoses and others are saying the standard single caliper system is crap and will fade even off track, I would value any advice on a cost effective way forward.

[chrisburns]

These have the rep of being thee best brakes available. Put it this way, look behind the wheels of most rally cars and its Alcon all the way.

Look awesome Shane !!!

[shane@mbtech]

With a pad upgrade, to a very good pad front and rear, hoses and good fluid, I doubt you will get fade on a euro trip, unless you are doing seriously high speed stops consecutively.

Light track use they will be "ok" too.

They won't stop as well, or resist fade as well due to basic physics.

Once you start pushing on though you quickly find the limits of the standard set up.

I won't tell you a big brake kit is better because it will seem like I'm selling.

My advice is to look at the quick boys on here, see whether they run standard brakes. Ask a few questions, and take on board differing views. I know the answer, so do you ;)

They look great too:partyman:

[shimmy]

I won't tell you a big brake kit is better because it will seem like I'm selling.

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I will, it's e best mod by far on the E46M3and CSL.

Any track unless you drive like Yanto will soon find the limit of the OEM even with pads and fluid upgrades.

If you are going to track more than once and at your limit, get an upgrade now before you waste the track time.

[glendog74]

Any track unless you drive like Yanto will soon find the limit of the OEM even with pads and fluid upgrades.


:supz: :supz:

[mr sagman]

Ha ha , Hope Yanto's not on line tonight lol.. Seems like a no brainer to me.. these brakes look the bollocks, Only decision for me is whether to bite the bullet and bust the credit card now, Or whether to do the first euro trip with upgraded pads/hoses/fluid and see 'how it goes' And potentially buy the F&R later in the year when funds allow and track days beckon. God my head hurts (And my wallet).

[Rick H]

I have these on F & B (in CSL Cup form with RS29 all round - ex-KPNutz) and they're pretty much nothing then everything. I had them fitted at Darren Woods, when I picked the car up the guys warned me I needed to be careful as the pads needed warming up - I drove off and promptly ended up flying onto a roundabout - luckily nothing was coming!!! This wasn't the pads as I've run RS29 since getting the car. The issue was the difference in pedal travel from the stock brakes - the Alcons go right down before they kick in and then they kick in hard.

On the Wales trip, I got the measure of them and they were awesome. I haven't driven APs, but talking it through with Ben, the APs would appear to bite a lot sooner and they are far more progressive as pressure is applied.

Credit to Darren Woods for the fitting and warning, the brakes are awesome as I say but they are a different animal to stock, the pedal needs to go down to get the benefit.

[shane@mbtech]

Fitted a lot of alcons and they need bleeding very methodically. I found the same as you first time round, then re bled with different process, and completely different.

I find the alcons are better for road driving than the AP as they are not quite as aggressive on initial application.

[Rick H]

Fitted a lot of alcons and they need bleeding very methodically. I found the same as you first time round, then re bled with different process, and completely different.

I find the alcons are better for road driving than the AP as they are not quite as aggressive on initial application.

Thats interesting to know thanks, it maybe worth getting them re-bled when the car is back on the road in the Spring. It being DW, I would assume it was a proper job though, they're highly rated by everybody. They have GT1 etc.

[SMD]

E92 option Shane?

[Das Chin]

nice looking kit and great price. considering most people ditch the DS 2500s with the AP kit then makes even more sense.

lovely disc pattern and build and colour. would go well with an SB or SG CSL.

[shane@mbtech]

Thats interesting to know thanks, it maybe worth getting them re-bled when the car is back on the road in the Spring. It being DW, I would assume it was a proper job though, they're highly rated by everybody. They have GT1 etc.

Not judging their ability as I they seem to know their onions, but ive seen many garages bleed 6 pot calipers incorrectly, ie wrong nipple first.

If they used a machine to pressure bleed them then that doesn't work well I've found on the big brakes.

We do all the big brake kit bleeds manually.

[shane@mbtech]

Rick your brakes don't sound right after reading the roundabout scenario.

[Monkey]

Not judging their ability as I they seem to know their onions, but ive seen many garages bleed 6 pot calipers incorrectly, ie wrong nipple first.

If they used a machine to pressure bleed them then that doesn't work well I've found on the big brakes.

We do all the big brake kit bleeds manually.


Found this as well. Usually do an initial bleed with the pressure bleeder, use Autologic to bleed the DSC & then finish off with a manual bleed. Almost always get some air out when doing it manually.

As has been highlighted, you should have little pedal travel with big brake kits, I'd definately look at getting them bled again.

[Rick H]

Lawsy, Monkey thanks for the input. Given they cost a few quid and there's some uncertainty - it's got to be worth a second bleed to see if it makes a difference. They aren't particularly spongey but pedal travel is long.

[shane@mbtech]

E92 option Shane?

Pm:beer:

[ac427]

Ha ha , Hope Yanto's not on line tonight lol.. Seems like a no brainer to me.. these brakes look the bollocks, Only decision for me is whether to bite the bullet and bust the credit card now, Or whether to do the first euro trip with upgraded pads/hoses/fluid and see 'how it goes' And potentially buy the F&R later in the year when funds allow and track days beckon. God my head hurts (And my wallet).

You need these. Once you start having it large on mountian passes or you get some turds pulling out on you in Belgium motorways you will want extra stopping power.

A BBK will give you the confidence to drive a lot quicker. Just get the fronts and forget about spending money on an intermediate upgrade of pads.

[CSL BEAST]

Just got the Alcon kit for my car awesome quality great bit of kit .:thumbs:

[nigt3]

Got these Alcons too on my m3 track they look the tits but have't got to try them yet

[GregorJP]

Absolutely no doubt that the first thing to do on your CSL is to uprate the brakes. I run APs all round on mine and agree that they bite sharply and high up the pedal (or perhaps the bleeding was done very well). Also driven an E92 with an Alcon set up and it was equally good.

Pad choice is entirely another question. I made the mistake of fitting the wrong Pagid pads to my car and ended up smearing the discs. I run PF01 and they are awesome. RS29s are great too.

[BMWZ4MC]

Hello all, this is my first post on this forum and I'm afraid it's a question. I don't have an M3 CSL but a Z4M Coupe - I hope that you won't all shun me as it shares some of the same components as the M3 CSL (although sadly not the engine upgrades or incredible induction noise):smt003.

I regularly track my ///M and find the stock brake setup ok but it lacks consistent pedal feel and can overheat (even with uprated fluid and EBC Bluestuff pads which purport to be for "race use only"). I'm planning to fit a supercharger this year and in preparation for this I'm undertaking a complete overhaul of the brakes and suspension. In February I'm fitting KW Clubsports with camber/castor plates, H&R ARBs front and rear, RTAB limiters, RE rear top mounts, OEM front strut tower reinforcing plates, and VT competition engine mounts. I'm looking for a BBK that will allow me to use all of this to its maximum potential and will handle what I hope will be over 500bhp.

Lawsy, I've been considering an Alcon BBK kit for a while having seen it advertised on eBay. The stock Z4M brakes are the same as those of the M3 CSL but I'm unsure if the BBK you're selling will fit the Z4M. Do you have any experience of this? My concerns relate to the size of the discs and calipers with respect to OEM style 224 18" wheels (I use these as my track wheels and 19" CSLs on the road) and also physically fitting the kit to the car (I think there may be issues with the dust shields when fitting all BBKs to the rear).

I'm not sure what the rules for Newbies are when it comes to sending and receiving PMs, but any advice that anyone can offer would be much appreciated. Cheers.

[shimmy]

Welcome, nice post.

Glad you've never owned a Ford Cossie :)

[shane@mbtech]

The Z4m iirc uses the same brake set up as the Csl, so yes these should fit.

Regarding dust shields, most big brake kits require some dust shield modifying, par for the course. Very easy to do.

Regarding the z4 wheels fitting, I'm afraid I can't answer that.

[shimmy]

Best bet with the rims is to take a front to a car with your choice of brakes on and try it. Otherwise all a bit of guesswork with so many variables,

[shane@mbtech]

Best bet with the rims is to take a front to a car with your choice of brakes on and try it. Otherwise all a bit of guesswork with so many variables,

This^

I'm sure there are members local to you who would oblige :thumbs:

[BMWZ4MC]

Thanks for the replies chaps. I'll have a think and might well try to find someone in the SE who can volunteer to let me try their BBK for size with my wheels. I have 15mm spacers all round which should help things.

[shane@mbtech]

Thanks for the replies chaps. I'll have a think and might well try to find someone in the SE who can volunteer to let me try their BBK for size with my wheels. I have 15mm spacers all round which should help things.

Any pics of the wheels in question?

[shimmy]

Thanks for the replies chaps. I'll have a think and might well try to find someone in the SE who can volunteer to let me try their BBK for size with my wheels. I have 15mm spacers all round which should help things.

Pop to mine if you want to try them over AP kit.

Just north of St Albans

[plumber vic]

[QUOTE=BMWZ4MC;161785]Thanks for the replies chaps. I'll have a think and might well try to find someone in the SE who can volunteer to let me try their BBK for size with my wheels. I have 15mm spacers all round which should help things.

Always welcome to pop over J4 M25

[BMWZ4MC]

This is the OEM style 224 wheel that is stock on the Z4M (not my car, just a useful link)

They are 8x18" ET 42 front and 9x18" ET 30 rear. I run these on the track and CSL wheels on the road.

[BMWZ4MC]

I've measured the internal diameter of the wheels - they measure 405mm at the mating face and 445mm at the inner rim. The distance between these two points is 160mm.

Lawsy, with the Alcon kit, what is the distance from the centre of the disc to the largest part of the calliper please (I appreciate you may not have that information :-D )?

[BMWZ4MC]

Pop to mine if you want to try them over AP kit.

Just north of St Albans

Always welcome to pop over J4 M25

Thanks to both of you. I'm overseas with work at the moment but I'll be working in Kent when I'm back in a few weeks. Meanwhile, my Zed is in Buckinghamshire, so either or both would be great cheers!

[shane@mbtech]

I'll get the drawings and post them up

[BMWZ4MC]

That's great, cheers. I suspect a drive to Cheshire will be on the cards soon!

[SamT]

Just to throw my 2 pennyworth into this....I started out with the Alcon CSL Cup brakes on the white M3, but have now converted to AP Pro 5000 with PFC discs and Endless Race pads (the Alcon set up went on my blue CS Yesterday with RS29's)

The reason i switched is that I love the Endless pads, but unfortunately there isn't enough clearance to fit them in the Alcon Callipers as they come with 25mm of meat on, and from memory the Alcons only accept a 17mm Pad....so you end up machining off 8mm of pad material to get them to fit.....being a Yorkshireman this hurt like you wouldn't believe :bigcry: .....Plus Schirmer said i could do one if i didnt convert :-D

The new set up is simply stunning on track, a significant improvement over the alcons with RS29's.....but conversley I agree wholeheartedly with what Lawsy said about the Alcons being alot better for the road. The initial bite from the AP's is brutal....and i mean brutal (so much so that even though I've done a couple of days at the ring on them, i am still all over the place with braking points, yes shimmy, part of my excuse for Monday at Bedford :) )

So, my advice would be, that if you use your car on the road fit the Alcons (they are 200% better than standard) but if your building an out and out track/race car then go with the AP/PFC/Endless setup....but be prepared to peel your eyebrows off the windscreen :thumbs:

BMWZ4MC ..... I'm in Rye on the Kent/Sussex border, if you wanna pop over and see/ try out both set ups your more than welcome ;)

[Rick H]

Just to throw my 2 pennyworth into this....I started out with the Alcon CSL Cup brakes on the white M3, but have now converted to AP Pro 5000 with PFC discs and Endless Race pads (the Alcon set up went on my blue CS Yesterday with RS29's)

The reason i switched is that I love the Endless pads, but unfortunately there isn't enough clearance to fit them in the Alcon Callipers as they come with 25mm of meat on, and from memory the Alcons only accept a 17mm Pad....so you end up machining off 8mm of pad material to get them to fit.....being a Yorkshireman this hurt like you wouldn't believe :bigcry: .....Plus Schirmer said i could do one if i didnt convert :-D

The new set up is simply stunning on track, a significant improvement over the alcons with RS29's.....but conversley I agree wholeheartedly with what Lawsy said about the Alcons being alot better for the road. The initial bite from the AP's is brutal....and i mean brutal (so much so that even though I've done a couple of days at the ring on them, i am still all over the place with braking points, yes shimmy, part of my excuse for Monday at Bedford :) )

So, my advice would be, that if you use your car on the road fit the Alcons (they are 200% better than standard) but if your building an out and out track/race car then go with the AP/PFC/Endless setup....but be prepared to peel your eyebrows off the windscreen :thumbs:

BMWZ4MC ..... I'm in Rye on the Kent/Sussex border, if you wanna pop over and see/ try out both set ups your more than welcome ;)

Hi, thanks for this - some good stuff to read there. RS29s - I think the guys with lots of experience on here rate them highly so its all good as far as pads go - so pads aside, what is it with the Alcons that puts them so far beneath the APs for track use?

I have Alcon Cups on and my issue with them is the bite point is low down thus lots of pedal travel - is this what makes them more suitable for road use?

The reason I ask is that a possible solution to shorten pedal travel is residual pressure values (thanks for the heads up on those Mr G!) - so if pedal travel is reduced and both are using RS29s, would the difference on track be as marked?

[shane@mbtech]

Hi, thanks for this - some good stuff to read there. RS29s - I think the guys with lots of experience on here rate them highly so its all good as far as pads go - so pads aside, what is it with the Alcons that puts them so far beneath the APs for track use?

I have Alcon Cups on and my issue with them is the bite point is low down thus lots of pedal travel - is this what makes them more suitable for road use?

The reason I ask is that a possible solution to shorten pedal travel is residual pressure values (thanks for the heads up on those Mr G!) - so if pedal travel is reduced and both are using RS29s, would the difference on track be as marked?


You can't compare ap5000 with Alcon kit.

Sam is rich. Schirmer likes a rich mofo. So Sam has the dogs danglies and I don't blame him. If I could afford them I would have them.

[Rick H]

You can't compare ap5000 with Alcon kit.

Sam is rich. Schirmer likes a rich mofo. So Sam has the dogs danglies and I don't blame him. If I could afford them I would have them.

True enough, but the question stands for "standard" APs

[shane@mbtech]

True enough, but the question stands for "standard" APs

Shimmy ran AP all round at Spa. I ran Alcon all round at Spa.
Same pace. Take from that what you will:thumbs:

[shane@mbtech]

The Alcon does have more pedal travel. But not enough to cause any issue at all.

I have a set of AP, K Sport, and Alcons all sat in my workshop. I'm fitting the Alcon. If they were that bad I wouldnt fit them.

For a road car that does a couple of trackdays they are 100% fine. :beer:

[Rick H]

The Alcon does have more pedal travel. But not enough to cause any issue at all.

I have a set of AP, K Sport, and Alcons all sat in my workshop. I'm fitting the Alcon. If they were that bad I wouldnt fit them.

For a road car that does a couple of trackdays they are 100% fine. :beer:

Yep, I'm not saying Alcons are bad by any stretch - its just I'm trying to understand why APs are favoured. If the pedal travel issue is removed from the equation with pre-load and everything else is like for like (lines/fluid/pads) - do APs and Alcons become effectively the same?

Pedal travel is a personal pref I guess, I would prefer to have shorter travel - other drivers will prefer longer travel.

[SamT]

You can't compare ap5000 with Alcon kit.

Sam is rich. Schirmer likes a rich mofo. So Sam has the dogs danglies and I don't blame him. If I could afford them I would have them.

Tell you what Lawsy, after meeting Tom I'm not that 'Rich' any more mate :bigcry:


Please don't misunderstand me here Rick.....The Alcon brakes are MINT (Hence they've gone on my CS) and with them on you can out brake most things on track (even in a heavy ole M3), and I was doing alot more than a couple of trackdays last year!

Yes, there is more travel with them, (but much less than standard) but like Lawsy says, that does not cause a problem, and you soon get used to it. Although, like you Rich, i prefer a higher pedal to stamp on :) .... but then, it was alot easier to Heel and Toe with the Alcons as the pedals were bang in line (not that you need to do that in a CSL)

I cant prove this, but I think in a Lab, with the same pads (and standard discs that come with kits) there probably ain't that much difference in them. Tom Schirmer has developed his own set up based on thousands of laps on hundreds of cars at the ring, and essentially only fits the best of the best stuff (the most expensive) and has lots of 'secret' tweaks that he does to bring the whole package together (don't forget, Brakes don't work in isolation of other systems i.e. Suspension and Geometry) and the cumulative effect of all this gives you confidence to brake later and harder.....but its not just the brakes that are doing it, if you get my drift.

I think the RS29's are £400 F+R and the endless pads are around €1400 F+R ...... so that gives you an idea of the differences in price to get that extra % in performance!

[octainejunkee]

I know this kit wont- but would it be possible to get a kit that fits the 1M?

Cheers Jamie

[nigt3]

Yep, I'm not saying Alcons are bad by any stretch - its just I'm trying to understand why APs are favoured. If the pedal travel issue is removed from the equation with pre-load and everything else is like for like (lines/fluid/pads) - do APs and Alcons become effectively the same?

Pedal travel is a personal pref I guess, I would prefer to have shorter travel - other drivers will prefer longer travel.


I went for Alcons, reason being the ap discs are't the best and could'nt be arsed spending more money buying performance friction discs!! Personally I think either or is pretty good

[shimmy]

I went for Alcons, reason being the ap discs are't the best

Myth

[northernjim]

its just I'm trying to understand why APs are favoured.




Shimmy has got them, and we all do as he says...... ( or else...:gayfight:)

[shimmy]

Shimmy has got them, and we all do as he says...... ( or else...:gayfight:)

I've also got a CSL Jim, what happened there :)

[nigt3]

Myth

Mr schirmer strikes again then!!

[northernjim]

I've also got a CSL Jim, what happened there :)

don't need a csl to keep up with you....:finga: just the brakes to slow me down :smokin:

[shimmy]

don't need a csl to keep up with you....:finga: just the brakes to slow me down :smokin:

I think you were faster in the Focus jimbob. :-D

[SamT]

Mr schirmer strikes again then!!

did he say....."Dis is Sh*t" by any chance :-D

[BMWZ4MC]

Just to throw my 2 pennyworth into this....I started out with the Alcon CSL Cup brakes on the white M3, but have now converted to AP Pro 5000 with PFC discs and Endless Race pads (the Alcon set up went on my blue CS Yesterday with RS29's)

The reason i switched is that I love the Endless pads, but unfortunately there isn't enough clearance to fit them in the Alcon Callipers as they come with 25mm of meat on, and from memory the Alcons only accept a 17mm Pad....so you end up machining off 8mm of pad material to get them to fit.....being a Yorkshireman this hurt like you wouldn't believe :bigcry: .....Plus Schirmer said i could do one if i didnt convert :-D

The new set up is simply stunning on track, a significant improvement over the alcons with RS29's.....but conversley I agree wholeheartedly with what Lawsy said about the Alcons being alot better for the road. The initial bite from the AP's is brutal....and i mean brutal (so much so that even though I've done a couple of days at the ring on them, i am still all over the place with braking points, yes shimmy, part of my excuse for Monday at Bedford :) )

So, my advice would be, that if you use your car on the road fit the Alcons (they are 200% better than standard) but if your building an out and out track/race car then go with the AP/PFC/Endless setup....but be prepared to peel your eyebrows off the windscreen :thumbs:

BMWZ4MC ..... I'm in Rye on the Kent/Sussex border, if you wanna pop over and see/ try out both set ups your more than welcome ;)

Thanks for the offer Sam. I'm in Oz until the end of next month, but I might take you up on the offer when I get home.
I've had a look at the AP Pro 5000 kit and read a few reviews. It looks awesome...and so it should be at that price:hahaha: Unfortunately, I'll be dipping rather too deeply into my supercharger fund if I go down that route.
I will keep my Z4M road registered, but it'll see a lot of track time too. I was encouraged to see that you said in another post that with the Alcon set up you could out brake most things on the track - from your experience with your CSL and CS, do you think the Alcons with RS29s will give consistent pedal feel and no fade over 20-30 minute hard driving on the track? Also, am I right in thinking that the Alcon CSL Cup BBK that you had is the same as the Alcon Advantage Extreme but with a Thorney Motorsport paint job on the calipers? Lastly, did you find that the longer pedal travel a disadvantage with track use? I find heel and toe can be difficult in my Z4 as the throttle pedal is set too low, so longer brake pedal travel may be helpful for me.
Thanks again for the advice chaps and sorry for so many questions - the Z4 forum has fewer regular track drivers as the majority have roadsters with smaller engines...

[nigt3]

did he say....."Dis is Sh*t" by any chance :-D


Sam, how did you Quess that!!:wink:

[SamT]

Thanks for the offer Sam. I'm in Oz until the end of next month, but I might take you up on the offer when I get home.
I've had a look at the AP Pro 5000 kit and read a few reviews. It looks awesome...and so it should be at that price:hahaha: Unfortunately, I'll be dipping rather too deeply into my supercharger fund if I go down that route.
I will keep my Z4M road registered, but it'll see a lot of track time too. I was encouraged to see that you said in another post that with the Alcon set up you could out brake most things on the track - from your experience with your CSL and CS, do you think the Alcons with RS29s will give consistent pedal feel and no fade over 20-30 minute hard driving on the track? Also, am I right in thinking that the Alcon CSL Cup BBK that you had is the same as the Alcon Advantage Extreme but with a Thorney Motorsport paint job on the calipers? Lastly, did you find that the longer pedal travel a disadvantage with track use? I find heel and toe can be difficult in my Z4 as the throttle pedal is set too low, so longer brake pedal travel may be helpful for me.
Thanks again for the advice chaps and sorry for so many questions - the Z4 forum has fewer regular track drivers as the majority have roadsters with smaller engines...

First off......the Schirmernator is not, i repeat NOT a CSL....it's way better than that LOL....I wish!!!

The Alcons with RS29's will be outstanding for the use you envisage, i never suffered any brake fade that i can remember, and do like a good 40mins/60mins before coming in off track....the endless race stuff is designed to last a 24hr race, so maybe way over spec for what you require.

They look similar to me, but without seeing the spec sheets?? Lawsy or someone else in the know can maybe confirm that for you....if anything they will be better i would have thought?

HnT will be much easier, the travel means the pedals are bang in line and you don't have to twist your ankle as much.

With regards to SC....be very very careful!!...I don't know loads of people who've done it, but with the few i do, none has ended well!.....Persistent messing about sorting out overheating issues, eventually culminating in rapid disassembly, they seem to be fine in normal life, but when driven hard for prolonged periods on track, especially in summer!!.........For me you'd be much better taking that money and talking to Jon at JC Racing in Thirsk and getting a bomb proof BHP upgrade.....years of trouble free dicking about on track!!!.....i'm not sure of the packaging on a Z4M but you could also maybe get a CSL airbox to fit??.. she'll sound proper then too!

[SamT]

Sam, how did you Quess that!!:wink:

Just a hunch :wink:

[octainejunkee]

I know this kit wont- but would it be possible to get a kit that fits the 1M?

Cheers Jamie

[SamT]

I know this kit wont- but would it be possible to get a kit that fits the 1M?

Cheers Jamie

There was a 1M at the ring last year with huge brakes on it, defo not standard, but don't know what they were, and don't know if they were off the shelf or something a race team had put together.....sorry....maybe send an email to Alcon, AP, Brembo, etc....see what they say??

[shane@mbtech]

There was a 1M at the ring last year with huge brakes on it, defo not standard, but don't know what they were, and don't know if they were off the shelf or something a race team had put together.....sorry....maybe send an email to Alcon, AP, Brembo, etc....see what they say??

Were they yellow calipers? English plated, and white?

[SamT]

Were they yellow calipers? English plated, and white?

It was White, but on German plates Lawsy......Think they were a race team from Hamburg........Calipers looked similar to my AP set up, but didn't get chance to have a proper look.

[Mike R]

Were they yellow calipers? English plated, and white?

Gareth hasn't bothered fitting big brakes to his, as the 1M uses the same brakes (both discs and callipers) from the E9x M3 (on a car that weighs significantly less). He even uses the OE brake pads and has never had any issues on UK tracks.

The only thing he does is fit is a 378mm disc and bell and bracket to space the calliper out for when he goes to the 'ring.

[_Nathan_]

Sam - If only Endless pads would do a whole 24H race, not even close :(

[SamT]

Sam - If only Endless pads would do a whole 24H race, not even close :(

I did say 'designed' Nathan :)

All that dosh and they don't even get close :bigcry:

I'm pretty sure someone at the ring said they got through a N24 out of 1 set though? .... maybe it was BS?

[shane@mbtech]

Don't know anyone on here that uses Carbotech pads.
Used for years with great effect:beer:

[shimmy]

Don't know anyone on here that uses Carbotech pads.
Used for years with great effect:beer:

I'd willingly try some cheap ones :) as a comparison

[mattCSLnut]

Don't know anyone on here that uses Carbotech pads.
Used for years with great effect:beer:

I haven't used these for a while but I have used them in the past in my old Porkers with good results :thumbs:

[_Nathan_]

I did say 'designed' Nathan :)

All that dosh and they don't even get close :bigcry:

I'm pretty sure someone at the ring said they got through a N24 out of 1 set though? .... maybe it was BS?

Maybe at the 'ring, did 2 pad changes at Silverstone with them, were told they'd go through the race but used 2 sets and finished the race on RS29s.

[BMWZ4MC]

First off......the Schirmernator is not, i repeat NOT a CSL....it's way better than that LOL....I wish!!!

The Alcons with RS29's will be outstanding for the use you envisage, i never suffered any brake fade that i can remember, and do like a good 40mins/60mins before coming in off track....the endless race stuff is designed to last a 24hr race, so maybe way over spec for what you require.

They look similar to me, but without seeing the spec sheets?? Lawsy or someone else in the know can maybe confirm that for you....if anything they will be better i would have thought?

HnT will be much easier, the travel means the pedals are bang in line and you don't have to twist your ankle as much.

With regards to SC....be very very careful!!...I don't know loads of people who've done it, but with the few i do, none has ended well!.....Persistent messing about sorting out overheating issues, eventually culminating in rapid disassembly, they seem to be fine in normal life, but when driven hard for prolonged periods on track, especially in summer!!.........For me you'd be much better taking that money and talking to Jon at JC Racing in Thirsk and getting a bomb proof BHP upgrade.....years of trouble free dicking about on track!!!.....i'm not sure of the packaging on a Z4M but you could also maybe get a CSL airbox to fit??.. she'll sound proper then too!

I hear what you're saying about SC - I've spoken with a few guys with blown M3s at track days and heat soak seems to be a problem. There are only a very few Z4Ms with SC that I'm aware of - the stage I ESS kit seems to have the same issues, but no one I talked with has reported problems with the Stage II kit as it has a separate cooler...

Lawsy, I've sent you a PM cheers

[M@X]

I´m interested on Alcon kit.

[BMWZ4MC]

Me too, but I haven't heard back from Lawsy - I hope they're not all sold already?

[shane@mbtech]

I'll be getting back to you guys Monday with info:thumbs:

[BMWZ4MC]

Great, thanks:thumbs:
Enjoy the rest of the weekend

[BMWZ4MC]

I'll be getting back to you guys Monday with info:thumbs:


Hi Lawsy, any news? Cheers

[BMWZ4MC]

Cheers for the PM Lawsy:thumbs:

[M@X]

Many thanks for your info Lawsy ;)

[Chrisc]

I would be interested matey :thumbs:

[shane@mbtech]

We are due to be ordering another consignment of these brakes.

Any interested parties please PM.