traction

[73CSL]

Is anyone actually getting any traction out there at the moment ?

I live out in the sticks, did the evening school run last night ( 44 mile round trip) in the CSL as the roads were looking dry .

Any attempt of heavy throttle in 2nd and the rear tyres were spinning away / little yellow light flashing like mad . Running Vredestein's

Anyone running with Supersports ?

I won't mention the woeful standard headlights ( although non xenen front end IMHO does look better :thumbs: )

[Mike R]

I left the place that does my MOT the other week (he was telling me he also does "M3 CSL" as well :)) and just tickled the throttle in 4th (thinking it was in high enough gear to take at least half throttle) and it snapped 45° sideways - suffice to say it "woke me up" quickly - fuck knows what the car coming the other way must have thought. First time I have experienced cold wet Cups. Suffice to say the MPSSs are going on when I next get it out of the garage.

[Neil M]

Ha, ha, same thing happened me last Thursday, MOT day - Skittish little thing! :hahaha:
As it says on the sticker, cups don't like cold, damp, wet and as for snow - no chance! Back into hibernation till the Spring and I think a change of wheels with MPSS is called for, just in case it ventures out again for an oil service. :whistle:

[still no worries]

i was out in the rain the other day for the first time on new cups and its a bit scary to say the least, i will say however i had put rain x on the screen before i went out and it is so good at dispersing water you dont think its as wet as it is.(
bloody stupid really)

[DazBlackCSL]

Its not cup time of the year if your running it daily, used to change out of cups around November time to whatever I was running through winter.

Just put on the Vredesteins Winters for the first time ever, and have normal traction even hitting the pedal with a little force, and the C63 is twice as bad as the CSL was for going sideways in any condition.

Yours recently converted winter tyre user !

[alexk]

Man up boys.

I am spinning the wheels of my m5 with 220 in Germany...

[outnumbered]

I think on those days where it's a bit damp, the roads have been salted and you get that greasy-looking surface, nothing is really going to grip well. I've now got winter tyres on my car, and it's still pretty slippery in those conditions.

[Das Chin]

unless you are running winter tyres or hot slicks from blankets a la F1 traction is always going to be an issue in this cold weather.

makes it more fun though ;-)

[Mike R]

Man up boys.

I am spinning the wheels of my m5 with 220 in Germany...

Stick Cups on and then say the same ;). I have no issues with spinning tyres if it is provoked and expected, but this was the first time I had experienced the reason BMW made that form you had to sign before allowing you to have the car on these tyres LOL.

[pinkpanther008]

Its always this time of year, cant help think that with all the junk thrown down on UK roads theses days: Screen Wash, Diesel particulates, brake fluid, oil, sewage leaks, you name it it seems to end up on the roads (or is it just my town darn sarrff?!!)

Seems to be a bubbly film of this stuff / Ectoplasm released by autumn rains?

Grip - good luck

PP

[alexk]

Stick Cups on and then say the same ;). I have no issues with spinning tyres if it is provoked and expected, but this was the first time I had experienced the reason BMW made that form you had to sign before allowing you to have the car on these tyres LOL.


Mike I had cups on my csl since 2008.
You can ask Matt about our Alpine adventure with my csl on cups, snow and sub zero temperatures ;)

[Trawler]

Is anyone actually getting any traction out there at the moment ?

Any attempt of heavy throttle in 2nd and the rear tyres were spinning away / little yellow light flashing like mad . Running Vredestein's

Anyone running with Supersports ?

: )

I'm running MPSS & every winter I get wheel spin/arse out, even in 4th. Just need to take it easy. It's cold & there is all sorts of crap on the roads. I got wheel spin the other day in the wife's mini in 3rd gear running winter tyres when passing someone.

[mattCSLnut]

Mike I had cups on my csl since 2008.
You can ask Matt about our Alpine adventure with my csl on cups, snow and sub zero temperatures ;)

:supz: Good times :thumbs:

I can confirm that the Zurich registered Cecil on the right was on Full Phat CUPs and driven in a hairy chested fashion :119:
The only thing that stopped us from going any further was that pesky barrier :banghead:

[mattCSLnut]

I'm running MPSS & every winter I get wheel spin/arse out, even in 4th. Just need to take it easy. It's cold & there is all sorts of crap on the roads. I got wheel spin the other day in the wife's mini in 3rd gear running winter tyres when passing someone.

I blame your leaded right foot matey :-D

[mattCSLnut]

Another CSL Alpine Adventure pic :smt055

[GregorJP]

A little story for everyone about traction and the winter.

Before I got my CSL, I had a 997 911. Before the 911, I had an E46 M3 that I loved more than life itself. Bought it at 20,000, ran it 'til 110,000. So why did I get the 911 in between and not stick with M3s?

Well...

One fine winter Saturday I was on my way with my wife and children to Homebase in Hatfield. By this time, I was very comfortable with my E46 M3 and, as a matter of course, switched off the traction before any journey. I always felt the traction control was too restrictive and the car was nice and predictable anyway. So, we come to the Welwyn Garden City roundabout (Shimmy will know it well) and I turn right to hit the dual carriageway to Hatfield.

At this point, my wife told me not to do my usual favourite trick, which is to attempt a nice drift round the roundabout. There was no traffic, but I listened anyway, and pottered around. I then hit the dual carriageway, a very straight stretch. Accelerate gently, second, third gear.

At about 60mph while accelerating, the revs rose very suddenly, the rear wheels spun up and the car jinked left towards the barrier. I tried to correct it. We then fishtailed right, left again, hard right and hit full lock and then we hit the barrier backwards on the rear driver's side. The car then slid a good 6 car lengths along the barrier, scraping the whole side of the car. £8k of damage. Most embarrassing.

After that, I thought I'd try the 911 given that I wasn't competent enough to handle the M3. I never drive CSL without the traction on in the winter and in fact have now tucked him up to hibernate.

[shimmy]

A little story for everyone about traction and the winter.

Before I got my CSL, I had a 997 911. Before the 911, I had an E46 M3 that I loved more than life itself. Bought it at 20,000, ran it 'til 110,000. So why did I get the 911 in between and not stick with M3s?

Well...

One fine winter Saturday I was on my way with my wife and children to Homebase in Hatfield. By this time, I was very comfortable with my E46 M3 and, as a matter of course, switched off the traction before any journey. I always felt the traction control was too restrictive and the car was nice and predictable anyway. So, we come to the Welwyn Garden City roundabout (Shimmy will know it well) and I turn right to hit the dual carriageway to Hatfield.

At this point, my wife told me not to do my usual favourite trick, which is to attempt a nice drift round the roundabout. There was no traffic, but I listened anyway, and pottered around. I then hit the dual carriageway, a very straight stretch. Accelerate gently, second, third gear.

At about 60mph while accelerating, the revs rose very suddenly, the rear wheels spun up and the car jinked left towards the barrier. I tried to correct it. We then fishtailed right, left again, hard right and hit full lock and then we hit the barrier backwards on the rear driver's side. The car then slid a good 6 car lengths along the barrier, scraping the whole side of the car. £8k of damage. Most embarrassing.

After that, I thought I'd try the 911 given that I wasn't competent enough to handle the M3. I never drive CSL without the traction on in the winter and in fact have now tucked him up to hibernate.


Oooooooopps

Lucky the boys in blue didn't see, they are always toddling between the A1M and station at that roundabout.

:thumbs:

[GregorJP]

On the contrary, the boys in blue did see - they were heading in the opposite direction on the dual carriageway when it happened. They put the lights on, whizzed round and blocked the road. They then greeted me as I emerged from the car, red-faced, holding what remained of my rear bumper which was 50 yards down the road.

In fairness, they were cool. They wrote an accident report up, but the most I ever heard about it was the council telling me my insurance company having to pay for damage to the barrier.
:beer:

[mattCSLnut]

A little story for everyone about traction and the winter.

One fine winter Saturday I was on my way with my wife and children to Homebase in Hatfield. By this time, I was very comfortable with my E46 M3 and, as a matter of course, switched off the traction before any journey. I always felt the traction control was too restrictive and the car was nice and predictable anyway. So, we come to the Welwyn Garden City roundabout (Shimmy will know it well) and I turn right to hit the dual carriageway to Hatfield.

At this point, my wife told me not to do my usual favourite trick, which is to attempt a nice drift round the roundabout. There was no traffic, but I listened anyway, and pottered around. I then hit the dual carriageway, a very straight stretch. Accelerate gently, second, third gear.

At about 60mph while accelerating, the revs rose very suddenly, the rear wheels spun up and the car jinked left towards the barrier. I tried to correct it. We then fishtailed right, left again, hard right and hit full lock and then we hit the barrier backwards on the rear driver's side. The car then slid a good 6 car lengths along the barrier, scraping the whole side of the car. £8k of damage. Most embarrassing.

After that, I thought I'd try the 911 given that I wasn't competent enough to handle the M3. I never drive CSL without the traction on in the winter and in fact have now tucked him up to hibernate.

I presume you were on normal summer tyres and ambient temps were near or below 7 deg C ? Sounds like you hit a stretch of black ice or diesel spill and got a tank slapper on.

[GregorJP]

Correct. It was a chilly day and I had my summer shoes on. But the killer issue was - I had the traction control off. :119:

[0836whimper]

Not good.

A friend of mine totalled his S2000 whilst driving back from a test drive he was giving a prospective buyer, who had just agreed to buy it :smt087

Apparently the VTEC kicked in....and that was that.

The cops were great with him too apparently, they gave the impression it wasn't the first time they had seen an S2000 speared into a barrier.

[Trawler]

A little story for everyone about traction and the winter.

Before I got my CSL, I had a 997 911. Before the 911, I had an E46 M3 that I loved more than life itself. Bought it at 20,000, ran it 'til 110,000. So why did I get the 911 in between and not stick with M3s?

Well...

One fine winter Saturday I was on my way with my wife and children to Homebase in Hatfield. By this time, I was very comfortable with my E46 M3 and, as a matter of course, switched off the traction before any journey. I always felt the traction control was too restrictive and the car was nice and predictable anyway. So, we come to the Welwyn Garden City roundabout (Shimmy will know it well) and I turn right to hit the dual carriageway to Hatfield.

At this point, my wife told me not to do my usual favourite trick, which is to attempt a nice drift round the roundabout. There was no traffic, but I listened anyway, and pottered around. I then hit the dual carriageway, a very straight stretch. Accelerate gently, second, third gear.

At about 60mph while accelerating, the revs rose very suddenly, the rear wheels spun up and the car jinked left towards the barrier. I tried to correct it. We then fishtailed right, left again, hard right and hit full lock and then we hit the barrier backwards on the rear driver's side. The car then slid a good 6 car lengths along the barrier, scraping the whole side of the car. £8k of damage. Most embarrassing.

After that, I thought I'd try the 911 given that I wasn't competent enough to handle the M3. I never drive CSL without the traction on in the winter and in fact have now tucked him up to hibernate.

Not nice to hear. Three times on different occasions on the M11 while accelerating after having to slow down I have had the wheels spin up. Frightened the life out of me. No rain & warm. Can only put it down to diesel or something similar.

[mattCSLnut]

Correct. It was a chilly day and I had my summer shoes on. But the killer issue was - I had the traction control off. :119:
Agreed ;) that didn't help.

[shane@mbtech]

I had my Gtr breaking traction at 100mph on the motorway

Ass clenching moment. :whistle:

Cold weather, cold 888's and 600+BHP has this effect

[Bounce]

I had my Gtr breaking traction at 100mph on the motorway

Ass clenching moment. :whistle:

Cold weather, cold 888's and 600+BHP has this effectDo many people have ass clenching moments in your cars then Shane.:wink:

[shane@mbtech]

Do many people have ass clenching moments in your cars then Shane.:wink:

Depends if I whip it out or not!

The tail of the car that is :finga:

[73CSL]

Another CSL Alpine Adventure pic :smt055

The Furka :supz:

Done that in my 1973 911