Looking for a CSL....

[Minto]

Hi guys
New member here.
Have recently sold my fairly extensively modified e46 M3 and moved to a 911 turbo, but find myself missing the e46 for some reason. I wouldn't buy another regular one but could be tempted with the CSL. Upon searching I can barely find any for sale anywhere! Bar a couple of high milers and mega overpriced ones. Is it just the time of year? Or is everyone holding onto them as they are going up in price? Seems a shame for such a great car not to be used to it's potential(if that's what some people are doing with them)
If anyone knows of any nice examples for sale, or possibly coming up for sale I would be very interested to hear about it. Preferably in SB.
Even better, if someone is looking to p/x up to a 911 turbo we can talk too. :-D

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Welcome to the mad house, as for a nice SB one contact (PM) Mark CSL on this register his is for sale still I think.

[patphnx]

Hi Minto,

I'm in the same boat (searching that is, not the 911 Turbo). Some have been available but they tend to appear and then sell very quickly if they are good examples. Good luck in your search, and any details on the 911 Turbo? :)

[Neil M]

Hello Minto, welcome to CSL Ville!

Nothing wrong with a high miler, just means the wheels have turned a bit more often - it's been used!
More important is the service history - it's provenance, there are many low milers that suffer from neglect, don't use it so why service it - is the wrong mentality, particularly when it comes to obtaining an extended Warranty.:thumbs:

[Minto]

Thanks for the welcome guys.

I do agree with you about mileage, I just have a soft spot for low mileage cars.

Here's the 911 for anyone interested....
https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1233358_10201375941056394_139478863_n.jpg
https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1208574_10201361473134705_1143056553_n.jpg
56 plate. 27000 miles. 6months tax, 12months MOT, brand new rear tyres, sports chrono, 10 months OPC warranty remaining which is fully transferrable to new owner through a private sale.

[Mark CSL]

Nice Pork

Welcome to the site

Pics taken in glasgow if you need a look round a CSL drop me a pm
i live just off the M8 at Harthill :-D

[Minto]

Thanks Mark, I very well might just do that.

For anyone that's interested here's the M3 I recently got rid of.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/297113_10200689956467208_252469381_n.jpg
https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/941940_10200689956627212_2115109593_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/941353_10200689957267228_766963175_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/969833_10200689957947245_1747499337_n.jpg
https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/73125_10200479008593643_1137754030_n.jpg

[cslsuperfan]

Hello Minto, welcome to CSL Ville!

Nothing wrong with a high miler, just means the wheels have turned a bit more often - it's been used!
More important is the service history - it's provenance, there are many low milers that suffer from neglect, don't use it so why service it - is the wrong mentality, particularly when it comes to obtaining an extended Warranty.:thumbs:

Follow the above and what ever you do don't be tempted to mod your csl(it's expensive)....something I have never been accused of!!:wink:

[Neil M]

Whatever you do don't be tempted to mod your csl (it's expensive)....something I have never been accused of!!:wink:

Who's telling porkies? :hahaha: That signature is a dead giveaway! :whistle:

[Minto]

That's my problem. I'm a modder at heart, would love to mod the 911 but that would be fortunes!
Maybe a CSL with coilovers and a set of AP's would keep me happy.....for a while.
I definitely miss the rear wheel drive.

[Neil M]

That's my problem. I'm a modder at heart, Maybe a CSL with coilovers and a set of AP's would keep me happy.....for a while.

For shopping list see above, no engine enhancements yet!
Can't wait to see the wide bodied version of Tino's steed! :hahaha:

[Pip1968]

Hi guys
New member here.
Have recently sold my fairly extensively modified e46 M3 and moved to a 911 turbo, but find myself missing the e46 for some reason. I wouldn't buy another regular one but could be tempted with the CSL. Upon searching I can barely find any for sale anywhere! Bar a couple of high milers and mega overpriced ones. Is it just the time of year? Or is everyone holding onto them as they are going up in price? Seems a shame for such a great car not to be used to it's potential(if that's what some people are doing with them)
If anyone knows of any nice examples for sale, or possibly coming up for sale I would be very interested to hear about it. Preferably in SB.
Even better, if someone is looking to p/x up to a 911 turbo we can talk too. :-D

If it was a GT3 RS I may be persuaded but not for a turbo :smokin:

Pip

[Das Chin]

why are you so worried about high mileage cars? They have had an easy life on mway

its the 50-60k milers with lots of stone chips, new diffs and gearboxes i would be more worries about.

change the brakes on a csl and it wants for nothing else.

[derek]

Go on condition and history, not mileage as it doesn't reflect how good a car seen some lower mileage car than mine I wouldn't touch with a barge pole.

I do like the 911 always wanted one, would need to be a modified one that can eat GTR's for me.

[Mark CSL]

why are you so worried about high mileage cars? They have had an easy life on mway

its the 50-60k milers with lots of stone chips, new diffs and gearboxes i would be more worries about.

change the brakes on a csl and it wants for nothing else.


How can a car thats had a new gearbox or diff be a bad thing ?

Also a 100,000 miles on a motorway or not is a 100,000 miles on every component of the car i dont understand your thinking


Buy on condition and service history :-D

[Das Chin]

agree on condition and history 100%.

but 100k mikes on mway is a lot less stress on components than a car that has done 50k but with most of that on track.

1 track mile = 15 road miles.

major bmw components should not break if well looked after and serviced properly unless there is an underlying issue or had a hard life.

[CraigMillwardCroft]

You will know when you have found the right one :thumbs:

[Mark CSL]

but 100k mikes on mway is a lot less stress on components than a car that has done 50k but with most of that on track.

1 track mile = 15 road miles.

major bmw components should not break if well looked after and serviced properly unless there is an underlying issue or had a hard life.

I agree track work is harder than road miles

I am not sure about the components
My car had done 54,000 when the engine went and it had only done motorway miles


Maybe i know the CSL too well and pick up on failing components
when others just drive there cars.

So all these parts mean my csl
is not a good car with all the new parts as it must have had a hard life ?

[CraigMillwardCroft]

I agree track work is harder than road miles

I am not sure about the components
My car had done 54,000 when the engine went and it had only done motorway miles


Maybe i know the CSL too well and pick up on failing components
when others just drive there cars.

So all these parts mean my csl
is not a good car with all the new parts as it must have had a hard life ?

Just been better looked after and enjoyed :thumbs:

[Mark CSL]

The way i look at is if its not right get it looked at also i want my CSL as good as the day it was made and if the parts were not faulty bmw would not have sorted them after all thats why i pay for warranty

:smokin:

[martin770]

Lovin the 911 turbo :drool:
Oh go on then lets swap :hahaha:

[Das Chin]

I agree track work is harder than road miles

I am not sure about the components
My car had done 54,000 when the engine went and it had only done motorway miles


Maybe i know the CSL too well and pick up on failing components
when others just drive there cars.

So all these parts mean my csl
is not a good car with all the new parts as it must have had a hard life ?

no its just means you can slap a £34k price tag on it mark :smokin:

I know you have a good relationship with local BMW dealer and good luck to you.

BMW engines should not let go at 54k but then I guess some component has failed and that is that.

tbh that 120k miler at 22k looks like a great car so if you are in the market for one I would go for it.

if not then wait until the new year. Mintos turbo is going to be better in winter than a CSL as it has 4wd. get some winter tyres on it and it will be awesome. I have driven a few and they are bonkers fast but just a bit dull and no engaging. prefer the NA RWD versions such as the GT3s and RSs.

[Mike R]

BMW engines should not let go at 54k but then I guess some component has failed and that is that.


My engine has had a rebuild as well at a similar mileage - Gareth advised me this is caused by track use. Basically because the CSLs can generate such high Gs on the Cup tyres, the oil (if not kept topped to the absolute max) can surge in a similar way that the fuel pumps do. Obviously this wears the oil pump out over a period of time if it happens repeatedly. Apparently mine had "picked up" and was a bit noisy, so everything was changed before a catastrophic failure occurred. The bill was over £7k, as when it was stripped it was discovered that there was quite a few parts that were showing wear because of the this.

Accordingly, any cars used on track that Gareth takes care of, he makes sure they have a little bit more oil in than normal :).

[Mark CSL]

The evos are bad for this but does the csl not have 2 oil pickups

[Jon8710]

My engine has had a rebuild as well at a similar mileage - Gareth advised me this is caused by track use. Basically because the CSLs can generate such high Gs on the Cup tyres, the oil (if not kept topped to the absolute max) can surge in a similar way that the fuel pumps do. Obviously this wears the oil pump out over a period of time if it happens repeatedly. Apparently mine had "picked up" and was a bit noisy, so everything was changed before a catastrophic failure occurred. The bill was over £7k, as when it was stripped it was discovered that there was quite a few parts that were showing wear because of the this.

Accordingly, any cars used on track that Gareth takes care of, he makes sure they have a little bit more oil in than normal :).


in other words if they have been driven really hard with fast cornering then the internals of the engine may have been exposed to running dry therefor driving the cars really hard on the track or road does have an effect on the parts and would suggest that cars with new engines have had a harder life.

all i know is the people i know who track them alot have all had to have major mechanical parts replaced.

take what you will from that.

[shimmy]

in other words if they have been driven really hard with fast cornering then the internals of the engine may have been exposed to running dry therefor driving the cars really hard on the track or road does have an effect on the parts and would suggest that cars with new engines have had a harder life.

all i know is the people i know who track them alot have all had to have major mechanical parts replaced.

take what you will from that.


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[Mark CSL]

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Bit harsh shimmy

You did not read my post then my car was never tracked and needed an engine so why did my car need an engine

Bad manufacture if it was oil the big ends and shells would have been worn out they were like new :whistle:

[Jon8710]

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knew that would rattle some cages :wink:

[shimmy]

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[billyboysm3]

I think Mikes car had a brand new engine before my old man got hold of it and stuck that stupid rear spoiler on it, under 18k miles.

[billyboysm3]

Or taking the kids to school, short journeys, head gasket failures.

[CraigMillwardCroft]

in other words if they have been driven really hard with fast cornering then the internals of the engine may have been exposed to running dry therefor driving the cars really hard on the track or road does have an effect on the parts and would suggest that cars with new engines have had a harder life.

all i know is the people i know who track them alot have all had to have major mechanical parts replaced.

take what you will from that.


Do not agree with your statement, how many track days has yours done (any problems)

[Jon8710]

zero trackdays zero problems.

[Neil M]

I'm afraid that's the nature of the beast, old tech mechanical devices with moving parts; drive it and it wares out, don't drive it and it ceases up or goes pop with the first bit of spirited driving!
Dammed if you do/dammed if you don't! Best not to worry about it, just enjoy it and let Mondial do the worrying!:thumbs:

[shimmy]

zero trackdays zero fun

EFA

[Mike R]

I think Mikes car had a brand new engine before my old man got hold of it and stuck that stupid rear spoiler on it, under 18k miles.

No, it had the work done this time last year.......

[_Nathan_]

Lot of bollocks being spouted on here. 90% of the s54 engined race cars are running wet sump. If oil surge on cup tyres was an issue then you've never see a wet sumped s54 engined race car on slicks finish a 24 hour race...

[Mike R]

Lot of bollocks being spouted on here. 90% of the s54 engined race cars are running wet sump. If oil surge on cup tyres was an issue then you've never see a wet sumped s54 engined race car on slicks finish a 24 hour race...

Did you not see that video that was posted up recently "24 hours in 70 minutes" ? They were rigorously checking the oil and topping it up as necessary, as the engine failed on one of the cars - the rod punched a hole through side of the block - this only normally occurs due to some form of oil starvation, causing the bearings to pick up on the crank and then when that happens, it's usually just a matter of time before the rod tries to make an escape attempt :lol:....

I would also point out that it was stated that this happened ONLY when the oil level dropped sufficiently, not just because of the wet sump arrangement..... It is my understanding that the factory sensor arrangement doesn't give enough warning of the drop, hence why the race cars (despite the carbon air boxes) in the above video had a dipstick set-up for manual checking of the oil level EVERY TIME the car came into the pits...

You could quite feasibly be driving around with it well below the correct level and not know until the engine is able to do a check of this. Quite often when I have wanted to know the level, I haven't been able to get anything other than two dashes, as it needs certain parameters to be met before it will do a check, so it is quite worrying sometimes. So far it has always read 1.1L when it has then been able to perform the check.

[GregorJP]

All this hoo-hah bodes well for when I put my 68k mile car for sale on here next week, which has a brand new gearbox, new VANOS and top end rebuild, bottom end rebuild completed last week, new subframe and God knows how many other new parts (all done by the excellent Gareth). :119:

[derek]

All this hoo-hah bodes well for when I put my 68k mile car for sale on here next week, which has a brand new gearbox, new VANOS and top end rebuild, bottom end rebuild completed last week, new subframe and God knows how many other new parts (all done by the excellent Gareth). :119:
Dont do it Gregor!!!

[Pip1968]

Did you not see that video that was posted up recently "24 hours in 70 minutes" ? They were rigorously checking the oil and topping it up as necessary, as the engine failed on one of the cars - the rod punched a hole through side of the block - this only normally occurs due to some form of oil starvation, causing the bearings to pick up on the crank and then when that happens, it's usually just a matter of time before the rod tries to make an escape attempt :lol:....

I would also point out that it was stated that this happened ONLY when the oil level dropped sufficiently, not just because of the wet sump arrangement..... It is my understanding that the factory sensor arrangement doesn't give enough warning of the drop, hence why the race cars (despite the carbon air boxes) in the above video had a dipstick set-up for manual checking of the oil level EVERY TIME the car came into the pits...

You could quite feasibly be driving around with it well below the correct level and not know until the engine is able to do a check of this. Quite often when I have wanted to know the level, I haven't been able to get anything other than two dashes, as it needs certain parameters to be met before it will do a check, so it is quite worrying sometimes. So far it has always read 1.1L when it has then been able to perform the check.

Pretty much what I said in my post when I put the link up to that N24 film. Why oh why do they have an electronic 'dipstick' which cannot read the oil when on track - :moan:??????
There must be someone who can perform a modification to the dipstick tube so that it can be measured without taking the f@@king (f@@king) airbox off :moan:.

As far as the rest of the mechanics goes do not ask me :smt120 .

Pip

[CraigMillwardCroft]

zero trackdays zero problems.

In three years of ownership 11 track days, 7k miles no problems :-D

[Straightsix]

I agree track work is harder than road miles

I am not sure about the components
My car had done 54,000 when the engine went and it had only done motorway miles


Maybe i know the CSL too well and pick up on failing components
when others just drive there cars.

So all these parts mean my csl
is not a good car with all the new parts as it must have had a hard life ?

So was there something seriously wrong with your M3 CSL to need new engine @54k plus all the other parts ????

[Steve B]

There must be someone who can perform a modification to the dipstick tube so that it can be measured without taking the f@@king airbox off




The guy from USA who had the CSL rep had bent/modified a std M3 dip stick so you could use it without all the twatting about..... Shame BMW couldn't be bothered.

In this thread...

http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10392&highlight=dipstick


Steve

[Mark CSL]

So was there something seriously wrong with your M3 CSL to need new engine @54k plus all the other parts ????


Yes it was fooked :-D

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Yes it was fooked :-D
To the point, but I think he wanted more information :whistle:

[Monkey]

Lot of bollocks being spouted on here. 90% of the s54 engined race cars are running wet sump. If oil surge on cup tyres was an issue then you've never see a wet sumped s54 engined race car on slicks finish a 24 hour race...

I'm in agreeement With Nathan here. Very few race M3 S54's run a dry sump system. I worked for a Britcar race team, running an M3 for 2 seasons. Yes wet sump:)
Ran in the Silverstone 24hr a couple of seasons ago, finished on the engine we started with....

[Bounce]

Yes it was fooked :-D:hahaha::hahaha:

[Neil M]

There must be someone who can perform a modification to the dipstick tube so that it can be measured without taking the f@@king airbox off :moan:

Not without taking the airbox off they can't :hahaha:

[cslsuperfan]

Who's telling porkies? :hahaha: That signature is a dead giveaway! :whistle:

UhhhhMMMMmm:whistle: ......rumbled!

[Mark CSL]

So was there something seriously wrong with your M3 CSL to need new engine @54k plus all the other parts ????

All the info is here but you need to be a member to read it

http://www.cslregister.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11239