Really ££££££££££££

[Gurbinder]

Really??? Make's mine worth £70k haha.

http://www.hexagonmoderns.com/car_sales/BMW-E46-M3-CSL/8226.htm

http://www.hexagonmoderns.com/car_sales/BMW-M3-CSL/8339.htm

http://www.hexagonmoderns.com/car_sales/BMW-M3-CSL/8340.htm

I know we all want our cars to be worth lots, but these guy's are killing the market for would be buyer's surely.

[Rick H]

Have they none for around the £15k mark ?

[Jon8710]

this can only be a good thing for people who already have them cant it ?

[Rick H]

I think it should be good news for the sellers on the forum, but how many questors are there out there?

Just wait until Mark sees it - i feel there may be a new ad in the offing from North of the Border :)

[LeinsCSL]

I presume these all had oil changes inbetween the official BMW servicing :119: I know it ticks the "FBMWSH" box, but I've never been much of a fan of cars sitting around with 3-4 year old oil myself

They're certainly throwing themselves into the CSL market lately though, which can only be a good thing. Sorry to the prospective buyers, but sellers should now start pricing relative to this (I need to bridge the gap to a 964 RS somehow ;))

[benfj180]

Those cars represent a massive shift in prices compared to what is on offer on pistonheads?

I know you pay a premium to buy from a dealer but nigh on 10k difference for the 50+k miler........i dont think so! Also, the prices are very mileage sensitive!

I hope for all of us csl owners this is the market trend but i really dont want to be driving and worrying about my mileage all the time.....ill sell and get my GT3 that little bit earlier i suppose! :)

[p15tle]

Seems to be a very pricey place to pick up a csl!
Yes the low miles ones are hard to come by but 50k+ seems awfully steep

[thegingerninja]

Dreaming! But if they do sell a 27,000 miler for £50k. Mine will be for sale in a heartbeat!

[0836whimper]

What's 'Reflex Cloth Laser Amaret' ? (last one)
And the middle one seems to have AP's in the pic

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Dreaming! But if they do sell a 27,000 miler for £50k. Mine will be for sale in a heartbeat!
+1 :thumbs: and it does not have a plaque

[Yanto]

Dreaming! But if they do sell a 27,000 miler for £50k. Mine will be for sale in a heartbeat!

+1 :thumbs: and it does not have a plaque

Fookin turncoats ;)

[Trawler]

Mine is part of my retirement plan, so it's a keeper for now.

[HFLagos]

+1 :thumbs: and it does not have a plaque

The 27k miler does indeed have a plaque, I can assure you.... ;)

Also, Hexagon have 4 CSLs for sale, not just 3 per the OP in this thread.

[Yanto]

The 27k miler does indeed have a plaque, I can assure you.... ;)

Also, Hexagon have 4 CSLs for sale, not just 3 per the OP in this thread.

You're G10CSL ?

[HFLagos]

You're G10CSL ?

Nope the 27k one.

It's clear what Hexagon's approach to pricing is for their 4 CSLs and on the other side there's about 5-6 CSLs for sale which have not shifted in the last few months.

Will be interesting to see how things work out.

[Gurbinder]

4th one added after my 1st post.

[Yanto]

Nope the 27k one.

It's clear what Hexagon's approach to pricing is for their 4 CSLs and on the other side there's about 5-6 CSLs for sale which have not shifted in the last few months.

Will be interesting to see how things work out.

It's SOR or did you sell ?

[philo]

I presume these all had oil changes inbetween the official BMW servicing :119: I know it ticks the "FBMWSH" box, but I've never been much of a fan of cars sitting around with 3-4 year old oil myself

They're certainly throwing themselves into the CSL market lately though, which can only be a good thing. Sorry to the prospective buyers, but sellers should now start pricing relative to this (I need to bridge the gap to a 964 RS somehow ;))

This is a good thing!! I got in just in time on my 964 rs 7 years ago, I think I done very well getting Csl last November at what I consider there rock bottom price
I think Csl will be at over new price in next few years,might take a while but will happen and that's for average to high miles cars,ps I'm not trying to willy wave I just know most in here respect both cars very similar as I do,am proud to have what I consider to be best fun cars on the planet... Just my thoughts!!
And very happy to see as much price increases as possible:whistle:

[HFLagos]

It's SOR or did you sell ?

Sale. Pleasant to deal with and I suspect I'll probably be looking to do more deals with them in the future back & forth.

[Mike R]

Sale. Pleasant to deal with and I suspect I'll probably be looking to do more deals with them in the future back & forth.

What's next? :)

[HFLagos]

What's next? :)

Not sure really. I loved my CSL, still do. Life's too short though, have to try other things. I'm happy to have owned some of the cars I did but if I'd never sold them and stuck with them all this time that would have been a shame too.

Originally I had been thinking of getting a CLK Black Series, in fact I was with the chap from Hexagon in the CSL when I saw the one I was interested in at Romans International was no longer on their forecourt! But the deal with Hexagon was such a win-win for both parties that I went ahead with the sale.

Couple of days later I went on holiday and spent plenty of time thinking about next purchase. Still undecided.

It won't be the Black though. Probably air cooled Pork.

Or another CSL (because I have a hunch prices will fall, nothing is selling right now). :gayfight:

[sailorbaz]

You're G10CSL ?

That was the Donks' old car, from over here in Northern Ireland. Think he sold it about 18 months ago, where is it now? Hexagon for sale again?

[cslgirl]

Wow

http://www.hexagonmoderns.com/car_sales/BMW-M3-CSL/8343.htm

This is nearest mine, although mine is about to just turn 35k, and of course, one careful lady owner for just over 9 years- it's advertised for more than I paid for it in May 2004 !!!!!!

Thing is... it makes me want to drive it less and less the more the prices rise. I don't know why, as I don't want to sell.. but it makes me think twicebefore putting any more mileage on it and as parts become rare and more expensive, the thought of someone doffing it is also a worry.

But it is very exciting to see the prices so high! I knew we had something special with the CSL!

Oooooo imagine if I had gone ahead with the S4 cab we had a deposit on.. be worth nothing now! Was worth losing the deposit for!

[CraigMillwardCroft]

The 27k miler does indeed have a plaque, I can assure you.... ;)

Also, Hexagon have 4 CSLs for sale, not just 3 per the OP in this thread.
but the SB one near to my mileage does not have one :whistle:

[monkeycsl]

Wow

http://www.hexagonmoderns.com/car_sales/BMW-M3-CSL/8343.htm

This is nearest mine, although mine is about to just turn 35k, and of course, one careful lady owner for just over 9 years- it's advertised for more than I paid for it in May 2004 !!!!!!

Thing is... it makes me want to drive it less and less the more the prices rise. I don't know why, as I don't want to sell.. but it makes me think twicebefore putting any more mileage on it and as parts become rare and more expensive, the thought of someone doffing it is also a worry.

But it is very exciting to see the prices so high! I knew we had something special with the CSL!

Oooooo imagine if I had gone ahead with the S4 cab we had a deposit on.. be worth nothing now! Was worth losing the deposit for!

Same as mine but that one has nearly 3 years between last service do not warranty can be taken out on it now.wonder if any will sell at these prices.

[73CSL]

there is no reason to say the CSL will drop in price ( normal market as opposed to inflated dealers ) , unless the whole market falls .... personally I see it as BMW's equiv of the Porsche 964 / 993 RS

.. but prices going up is a double edged sword for those of us who bought them to drive .... focussing on their value & 'what if it drops if I add mileage' removes the pleasure . Having had mileage sensitive porsches in the past , I was determined to get a CSL I could drive & enjoy .. 62K miles & increasing :)

Gone through a similar situation with my 1973 Porsche .... gone up to daft levels over the last 10 years .... but after much thought realised what makes me smile is driving ... so still keep on driving it , doing european tours etc, adding the miles & adding the patina ;) , if I didn't whats the point of having the car ?

[glendog74]

They're standard E46 M3 prices are also 'interesting'...!

http://www.hexagonmoderns.com/car_sales/BMW-M3-E46-SMG/6370.htm

A very nice low miles M3 - but £40k?!!! :119:

[Rick H]

Buy it, use it up, wear it out and love it. If it holds its value or makes you a few quid then its a bonus.

If you want an investment, find a good financial advisor.

A few grand in the bank will never compensate for not driving these cars.

[E46CSL]

there is no reason to say the CSL will drop in price ( normal market as opposed to inflated dealers ) , unless the whole market falls .... personally I see it as BMW's equiv of the Porsche 964 / 993 RS

.. but prices going up is a double edged sword for those of us who bought them to drive .... focussing on their value & 'what if it drops if I add mileage' removes the pleasure . Having had mileage sensitive porsches in the past , I was determined to get a CSL I could drive & enjoy .. 62K miles & increasing :)

Gone through a similar situation with my 1973 Porsche .... gone up to daft levels over the last 10 years .... but after much thought realised what makes me smile is driving ... so still keep on driving it , doing european tours etc, adding the miles & adding the patina ;) , if I didn't whats the point of having the car ?

:thumbs:

[J13NY S]

That was the Donks' old car, from over here in Northern Ireland. Think he sold it about 18 months ago, where is it now? Hexagon for sale again?

That is Donk’s car, sold it to a guy in Devon I think, he didn’t drive it much, there’s only about 1k more miles on it.

[J13NY S]

Thing is... it makes me want to drive it less and less the more the prices rise. I don't know why, as I don't want to sell.. but it makes me think twicebefore putting any more mileage on it and as parts become rare and more expensive, the thought of someone doffing it is also a worry.

My thoughts to!!

My CSL is very clean, I’ve had it a long time & looked after it, every time I have it at Simpson Motorsport they remark (unprompted) how clean it is partially underneath, which reassures me that mine is a good one.

However I’m at a point where I’m between a rock & a hard place, I don’t want to drive it any longer in fear of devaluing it in some way & I like to drive it & properly drive it, I don’t get any kick out of a quick Sunday afternoon drive up to the coast.

So I feel more like a historian/collector than a car enthusiast & all summer I’ve been thinking of selling due to this & going down the line of a similar thread on here at the moment, stripping out a E92, cage, seats, harness, suspension, brakes etc.

The way the CSL market is at the moment (if they’re selling) I could do that & put money in the bank, but I don’t want to sell it & if I did & later regretted doing so where would I go to get another in the same condition & one I know the history of like my own.

[Yanto]

Well mine is an only car....off to the tip run in a minute with a load of garden rubbish :beer:

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Well mine is an only car....off to the tip run in a minute with a load of garden rubbish :beer:
You do a good job of cleaning as it never looks like a daily car :thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

there is no reason to say the CSL will drop in price ( normal market as opposed to inflated dealers ) , unless the whole market falls .... personally I see it as BMW's equiv of the Porsche 964 / 993 RS

.. but prices going up is a double edged sword for those of us who bought them to drive .... focussing on their value & 'what if it drops if I add mileage' removes the pleasure . Having had mileage sensitive porsches in the past , I was determined to get a CSL I could drive & enjoy .. 62K miles & increasing :)

Gone through a similar situation with my 1973 Porsche .... gone up to daft levels over the last 10 years .... but after much thought realised what makes me smile is driving ... so still keep on driving it , doing european tours etc, adding the miles & adding the patina ;) , if I didn't whats the point of having the car ?

Buy it, use it up, wear it out and love it. If it holds its value or makes you a few quid then its a bonus.

If you want an investment, find a good financial advisor.

A few grand in the bank will never compensate for not driving these cars.


Spot on gents :thumbs: Get out there and motor On :supz:
Mines @ 89K something, about to turn 90K :-D and it's in as good as (if not better) condition then when I bought it 4 years ago with 60ish K on the clock.
Still puts a :-D on my face, every outing :supz:

[deanobeano]

Agree with what Matt says - unless your car is less than 25k miles it should be enjoyed and driven when you want to drive.

After all, it's costing you road tax, servicing, insurance and possibly warranty.

[LeinsCSL]

This is a good thing!! I got in just in time on my 964 rs 7 years ago, I think I done very well getting Csl last November at what I consider there rock bottom price
I think Csl will be at over new price in next few years,might take a while but will happen and that's for average to high miles cars,ps I'm not trying to willy wave I just know most in here respect both cars very similar as I do,am proud to have what I consider to be best fun cars on the planet... Just my thoughts!!
And very happy to see as much price increases as possible:whistle:

Is your's the blue one that was down at the Festival of Speed in Limerick?

[0836whimper]

A few grand in the bank will never compensate for not driving these cars.

:notworthy:

[philo]

Spot on gents :thumbs: Get out there and motor On :supz:
Mines @ 89K something, about to turn 90K :-D and it's in as good as (if not better) condition then when I bought it 4 years ago with 60ish K on the clock.
Still puts a :-D on my face, every outing :supz:

Same mileage as mine!! Well done

[philo]

Is your's the blue one that was down at the Festival of Speed in Limerick?

No mine is blick,I know the maritime blue one lives close to me,very nice car also... Mine is a pig to drive on road,has cup diff 180 lb pre load ,full on Motorsport plated diff!! Manthey racing geo for the ring... So I bet you know how it handles on Irish roads!! Lol

[derek]

Agree with what Matt says - unless your car is less than 25k miles it should be enjoyed and driven when you want to drive.

After all, it's costing you road tax, servicing, insurance and possibly warranty.

Quote I read recently "Car is like a girl friend you should use it instead of keeping it good for next owner"

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Quote I read recently "Car is like a girl friend you should use it instead of keeping it good for next owner"
:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha: very true

[derek]

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha: very true

I agree, although mine is never used as a daily.

[73CSL]

what happens when the girlfriend becomes your wife ?

[billyboysm3]

what happens when the girlfriend becomes your wife ?

Use her as a track slag or chop her in for a newer model

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Use her as a track slag or chop her in for a newer model
:smt082:smt082:smt082

[niall1]

Buy it, use it up, wear it out and love it. If it holds its value or makes you a few quid then its a bonus.

If you want an investment, find a good financial advisor.

A few grand in the bank will never compensate for not driving these cars.

I agree but if they are actually managing to sell them at these inflated prices then I'll have to think about getting a new daily driver!

Mmhh.. :gayfight:

[E46CSL]

I agree but if they are actually managing to sell them at these inflated prices then I'll have to think about getting a new daily driver!



AFAIK only about 300 cars in the UK, Hexagon have over 1% & enjoy customers who live on Bishops Avenue.

[Mike R]

AFAIK only about 300 cars in the UK, Hexagon have over 1% & enjoy customers who live on Bishops Avenue.

62 SORN'd and 231 taxed :).

[E46CSL]

62 SORN'd and 231 taxed :).

So what happened to the missing 129????????? That's 30% of the cars.

[Neil M]

So what happened to the missing 129????????? That's 30% of the cars.

Some are sadly no longer with us, others have been exported; Eastern Europe and the Far East. There is even one to be found in South Korea - but don't tell the North. :hahaha:

[HFLagos]

I agree but if they are actually managing to sell them at these inflated prices then I'll have to think about getting a new daily driver!

Mmhh.. :gayfight:

There's 2 distinct sellers.

Hexagon and everyone else!

The fact remains there are the same 5-6 cars up for sale privately which are all 50-68k miles, about £25-29k. Quite a few have warranties too. Not one has sold. Pre-Munich 10th anniversary trip I would have thought at least 1 or 2 might have.

There are then 4 cars at Hexagon, 24-55k milers, up for £36-£54k.

Some of these cars have to sell presumably at some point. Let's see what happens to prices. :)

[E46CSL]

You ex-car now has a warranty, but is not ultra low mileage. Do you think it will sell at the price advertised?

[Pip1968]

Quote I read recently "Car is like a girl friend you should use it instead of keeping it good for next owner"

Read....? It sounds a bit more like Swiss Tony than anything in a book!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_E0ZF2uIKs

Pip

[HFLagos]

You ex-car now has a warranty, but is not ultra low mileage. Do you think it will sell at the price advertised?

I hope it does as the expected sale price was the basis on which I negotiated a price to sell to them in the first place. It was a win-win deal at the time.

I wonder whether Mondial would stand by my ex-car (or others with >2yr gaps in service history) later down the line.

[Gurbinder]

I do wish I had used my CSL more over the last 10 years, but I have had so many other cars that I used day to day and really don't have the heart to part with it as everytime I do drive it (rarely) it just put's a massive smile on my face.

[E46CSL]

There's 2 distinct sellers.

Hexagon and everyone else!

There are then 4 cars at Hexagon, 24-55k milers, up for £36-£54k.




This is relevant. Hexagon paid £41k for the 10k miles car they offered at £53k, and sold.

There is the realisable value for a car and the hexagon sales price which does help lift all ships. The difference is at least £10k, and around £12k for the lower mileage cars. If you want to prove it, just call them and ask what they will offer you for an identical mileage car they are sellng.

[HFLagos]

Ultimately, it boils down to negotiation in the end, but I'd say this was a good guide to bear in mind.

It's also worth mentioning, for anyone looking to sell to Hexagon, it really was a very simple straightforward transaction. Chap I dealt with was a good guy.

This is relevant. Hexagon paid £41k for the 10k miles car they offered at £53k, and sold.

There is the realisable value for a car and the hexagon sales price which does help lift all ships. The difference is at least £10k, and around £12k for the lower mileage cars. If you want to prove it, just call them and ask what they will offer you for an identical mileage car they are sellng.

[E46CSL]

Ultimately, it boils down to negotiation in the end, but I'd say this was a good guide to bear in mind.




The reality is that few, if any, individuals will make big enough bucks to justify the ownership of CSL's as an investment. The real return is in the enjoyment of the cars.

Dealerships make the big bucks - that is the their business.

[AlexGTT]

I know the guy that they sold the very low mile one for. They returned him £46k so it was surely sold for >£50k!

[mick csl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AXIEawiVh0

[cslgirl]

lol at the last comment! Nice video! When I watched that, I felt ever so proud to own a CSL. :supz:

[philo]

That's cool

[glendog74]

Due to their exciting 'on-track' ability, who knows how many are left today...

Is he suggesting that many owners have spanked their CSL into an early demise? Lol! :119:

[northernjim]

Is he suggesting that many owners have spanked their CSL into an early demise? Lol! :119:



I dare say that Matt has spanked a lot in his.... :gayfight::hahaha:

[DazBlackCSL]

I dare say that Matt has spanked a lot in his.... :gayfight::hahaha:

:hahaha:

[E46CSL]

Hexagon have 5 CSL's in stock - that's a quite a commitment by them.

[shane@mbtech]

Is he suggesting that many owners have spanked their CSL into an early demise? Lol! :119:

I'm your man:whistle:

[Straightsix]

BMW Hexagon of Highgate certainly have alot of M3 CSLs suddenly.
As a seller no doubt u will be glad.
But as a buyer these price rises are crazy and mainly caused by Hexagon testing the water as per with Z8s.

You would think the price differential of £20k from E46 M3 Coupe .... Would be maintained. Ie up to £20k more max than similar condition number of owners and mileage of comparable E46 M3 Coupe, E46 M3 CSL

CSLs seem very mileage sensitive price wise
Wonder what kind of condition most are in now ?

[HFLagos]

Happened to be looking at Hexagon's website today.

I sold my CSL to them back in August 2013 at a very good price even going by today's general prices. They immediately priced it up at £50k.

My ex-car is now still with them, 10 months later, now at £44k. The other CSLs which they also had at around the same time as mine are also pretty much still there too. Very little stock movement on CSLs which is a surprise, but their pricing does not help.

Actually thinking of getting back in to my old car now again. I think the CSL punt by Hexagon has not quite worked out how they'd planned, they seem to be going big time for 993 Turbos now, perhaps that's their new Z8.

Now off to do some reading on here about parts availability etc! Miss the CSL terribly.