Manual csl in estoril blue.

[Csl spurs]

Manual M3 CSL in estoril blue! as well as my genuine CSL in silver grey I have converted my m3 into a manual csl with every genuine part which has cost more than buying another csl there has been so many hours off work and research to acheive this but I believe this to be the only car with every part and the car weighs a touch lighter than my CSL! I'm sure it won't be everybody's taste but I love estoril blue and I love manual.
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[Alx]

As said before, I love this car; congratulations!

It must be great in manual.

[shane@mbtech]

You best watch the lynch mob don't get you. Using all those genuine Csl parts on a non Csl :hahaha::gayfight:


Great job, looks superb. :smokin:

[Csl spurs]

You best watch the lynch mob don't get you. Using all those genuine Csl parts on a non Csl :hahaha::gayfight:


Great job, looks superb. :smokin:
Ha Ha yes I worried about getting some stick from the lynch mob! Hopefully owning a genuine one might just get me out off trouble! :thumbs:

[Csl spurs]

As said before, I love this car; congratulations!

It must be great in manual.
Cheers alex:thumbs:

[martin770]

Yep looks the nuts :smt055

[Brandtner]

Awesome colour mate - my friend had the same. And we'll let you off for using genuine parts because you have a legit CSL :P

[JBird]

That does look dam nice. Congrats.

[gingernuts]

Lovely M3 (not a CSL though! haha)

Good place to keep all your spare CSL parts too!

[alexk]

The color is very nice.
But may I ask why did you do that ?
I mean, what is the point of this ?
Surely it would be easier to respray a CSL.

[mattCSLnut]

Estoril Blue is a great "M" colour IMHO, having made a bit of a comeback recently with the M135i & M5 TT :smokin:
Your 75% Cecil ;) looks great :thumbs: and since you have the Full Phat Cecil as well ... pix to verif please :-D ... all is well on the spare CSL parts front .
BTW spotted this Frozen Estoril Blue wrap over SB, German registered Cecil @ the Ring, on the recent Euro trip :)

[Mike R]

The color is very nice.
But may I ask why did you do that ?
I mean, what is the point of this ?
Surely it would be easier to respray a CSL.

You obviously missed the part where he mentions that this one is a manual ;).

[shimmy]

You obviously missed the part where he mentions that this one is a manual ;).



I think you'll find the CSL is a manual as well :-D

[Mike R]

I think you'll find the CSL is a manual as well :-D

I thing you will find that it is actually an automated manual :blalalala:.

[shimmy]

I thing you will find that it is actually an automated manual :blalalala:.

I think you may be making words and phrases up to suit our own ends. My description just says manual. It certainly isn't an automatic

[alexk]

You obviously missed the part where he mentions that this one is a manual ;).

Are you his lawyer or something ?

[LHutchin]

Wow what a stunning car :thumbs:

Have you got a thread showing the work in progress?

[MQP]

perfekt car, i love the color. my M3 E36 is in the same color

[NZ_M3]

Lovely car Paul :thumbs:

[Streetwise Hercules]

I want it.

[Csl spurs]

Thanks guys for all the positive comments:beer:

[Beaks]

Great car - looks sensational

[adem.csl]

Beautiful car well worth the effort and the fact you have a full phat to back it up says you did it cos you really could afford an original!
Now where did you say you live?


Adem key coder locksmith!!!

[Csl spurs]

Beautiful car well worth the effort and the fact you have a full phat to back it up says you did it cos you really could afford an original!
Now where did you say you live?


Adem key coder locksmith!!!
Thanks alot and I live near Bath.:beer:

[Csl spurs]

Pictures to follow soon next to my csl.

[Graham]

That looks proper nice in blue. CSL's should be manual so I like this idea

[glendog74]

That looks proper nice in blue. CSL's should be manual so I like this idea

SMG suits the CSL perfectly :notworthy:

[CraigMillwardCroft]

SMG suits the CSL perfectly :notworthy:
+1 never tried this type of box before but just love it on the CSL :thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

SMG suits the CSL perfectly :notworthy:
He's not wrong :supz:

[Loaded]

Very, very beautiful!!

:thumbs:

[sfh3l]

Estoril is one of my favourite BMW colours and the csl is one of my favourite BMW cars - job done! I'm in till lunch tomorrow - so perhaps you could deliver by 11AM?

[Steve B]

SMG suits the CSL perfectly :notworthy:

Have to agree....:thumbs:

[Mike R]

Have to agree....:thumbs:

So how many CSLs with a manual transmission have you two tried :blalalala::smt064 ;)?

[Steve B]

So how many CSLs with a manual transmission have you two tried :blalalala::smt064 ;)?


Shut it Mike "Rammer" Rainbird...:gayfight:

[Streetwise Hercules]

So how many CSLs with a manual transmission have you two tried :blalalala::smt064 ;)?

Ha!

Constantly reminding fellow owners that the SMG is great can sound...y'know...a bit like Glendog endlessly mentioning gays.

Edit - You too Steve B. What the..?????

[Steve B]

Bit of banter between me and Mike after a track day incident at Bedford years ago....


Steve

[shimmy]

Ha!

Constantly reminding fellow owners that the SMG is great can sound...y'know...a bit like Glendog endlessly mentioning gays.

Edit - You too Steve B. What the..?????


I still reckon you are someone I know.

[Steve B]

I still reckon you are someone I know.


We're not THAT friendly.....lol

[Straightsix]

OP what a hero u got a real M3 CSL and went through the pain staking effort of converting M3 to M3 CSL.

Only thing I don't like is those indicators u got on the Estoril one.

Sometimes I think why didn't u wrap another CSL and convert to manual except would have to butcher it.

True dedication and must have cost £££££££ and taken hours and hours.

[Csl spurs]

OP what a hero u got a real M3 CSL and went through the pain staking effort of converting M3 to M3 CSL.

Only thing I don't like is those indicators u got on the Estoril one.

Sometimes I think why didn't u wrap another CSL and convert to manual except would have to butcher it.

True dedication and must have cost £££££££ and taken hours and hours.
Thanks very much for your comments it's much appreciated your right it took alot off luck getting some off the parts lots off money and time and research!
Also I agree with the indicators the car now has oem clear indicators fitted back in it:-D

[Streetwise Hercules]

I think the indicators as pictured blend far better into the rest of the lights than the OE versions which, to my mind, look more dated than anything else on M3s and always draw my eye. Lights should either disappear or be a feature.

It's all subjective though isn't it? Personally I hate black wheels (looks like someone's stolen your rims and brakes) and don't like carbon kidney grills and side vents.

[MadMatt]

I think the indicators as pictured blend far better into the rest of the lights than the OE versions which, to my mind, look more dated than anything else on M3s and always draw my eye. Lights should either disappear or be a feature.

It's all subjective though isn't it? Personally I hate black wheels (looks like someone's stolen your rims and brakes) and don't like carbon kidney grills and side vents.


Totally agree. The only exception being some black wheels are ok as long as they are three piece and have a silver rim to differentiate between the wheel and tyre. But this whole black wheel craze has got totally out of hand - it has become synonymous with 'sporty' like sticking a spoiler on the back of a family car

[Neil M]

IMO, you can't beat the standard BMW CSL Wheel in it's original colour finish. I also have a set in Black which I'm considering reverting back to original.
As I bought a set of Black BBS CH's with Cups for the TRIP, just in case I ventured onto a track, they'll no doubt come in at some point!
Must be my feminine side - you can never have too many wheels :gayfight:

[CraigMillwardCroft]

IMO, you can't beat the standard BMW CSL Wheel in it's original colour finish. I also have a set in Black which I'm considering reverting back to original.
As I bought a set of Black BBS CH's with Cups for the TRIP, just in case I ventured onto a track, they'll no doubt come in at some point!
Must be my feminine side - you can never have too many wheels :gayfight:

And even though the trip was a good one, we could not get enough people to actually put there cars on the track :bigcry: . so a lot of us missed out on a good track day after all that travelling

[Neil M]

And even though the trip was a good one, we could not get enough people to actually put there cars on the track :bigcry: . so a lot of us missed out on a good track day after all that travelling

I thought you'd have gone with the 'Ring' riders, to show off your shirt, Adem, Matt and the rest of the gang, that took the detour route to the venue? Not like you to have missed out on a TD. :smokin:

[CraigMillwardCroft]

I thought you'd have gone with the 'Ring' riders, to show off your shirt, Adem, Matt and the rest of the gang, that took the detour route to the venue? Not like you to have missed out on a TD. :smokin:
Did the ring in the morning before driving onto Saltzburg :-D

[Neil M]

All was not lost then! Someone made it, looks like one of the locals
Good job I didn't put that on the shirt sleeves - ha, ha!

[northernjim]

I thought you'd have gone with the 'Ring' riders, to show off your shirt, Adem, Matt and the rest of the gang, that took the detour route to the venue? Not like you to have missed out on a TD. :smokin:

Virtually everyone from england went to munich, via the ring, the pistonklause on friday night was like bloody macdonalds with all those saaavan accents :finga:

[Loaded]

Have to agree....:thumbs:

Totally agree.

[MQP]

All was not lost then! Someone made it, looks like one of the locals
Good job I didn't put that on the shirt sleeves - ha, ha!

hey, my two cars :)

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[m3power]

The perfect combination of ///M car for me :supz:

[MQP]

thx, two oldtimer :-D

[$w!ft]

would love to see how it feels as a manual

[0-60Motorsports]

Looks great but i would never go 6MT just cos i need my auto mode sometimes :)

[m3dragon]

Very nicely done.

[jonnysideways]

+1 never tried this type of box before but just love it on the CSL :thumbs:

My CSL is my 4th SMG, First in a E36 Evo, which occasionally spat out into neutral, and second in my Imola Individual Prototype, that sadly broke after 20K of hard driving and 2 track days.

Then more success in my last E46 M3 Individual, ironically in Estroril Blue. That was a good box, that survived the life of my ownership even though I took it on a quick track day.

The CSL box seems very similar to my standard M3, but having a slightly lighter car and less sound proofing means that you feel and hear the aggressive gear changes when the CSL wants to change in a hurry.

For my the SMG is what makes the car, as I'm not a fan of manually changing gear on a manual gearbox, I prefer to let the car do it, although its a complicated system I do agree, but form me its worth the risk.

[jonnysideways]

Looks great but i would never go 6MT just cos i need my auto mode sometimes :)

Me too ;0) Damn body parts letting you down as you get older ;0( The blips on the downshift alone should tempt most people :wink:

[0-60Motorsports]

Me too ;0) Damn body parts letting you down as you get older ;0( The blips on the downshift alone should tempt most people :wink:

Nah dude, Its the traffic here in Bahrain. I would love to get a car with MT if I lived in Europe or the States etc but not here in Bahrain. Too small and too many cars = congestion everywhere.

[jonnysideways]

I see ;0), for me the local motorways get jammed up on most home journeys, so the Auto action helps the Knee ;0)

[Mike R]

This is featured in the current issue of Performance BMW which came out in the shops earlier this month :).

[M&N]

Great article on your car CSL spurs. It was good to meet you at the weekend & look forward to seeing the car in the flesh soon. :thumbs:

[Clubber]

It looks absolutely fantastic in Estoril Blue. If CSL came in that color, it would be my choice...

[Csl spurs]

Thanks Martin see you soon.:beer:


Great article on your car CSL spurs. It was good to meet you at the weekend & look forward to seeing the car in the flesh soon. :thumbs:

[Csl spurs]

I have to agree! :thumbs:



It looks absolutely fantastic in Estoril Blue. If CSL came in that color, it would be my choice...

[Levente]

somehow i cant like these replica csls, nor these modifications which include some OEM parts, not to mention those poser e46 m3 cars in the US. These are spoiling the reputation of the CSL. i wish there would be a rule to buy parts just specifically for the original car, because i find it shit, to see a normal e46 m3 with a csl trunk. As for this manual csl, its the same thing, spoiling the reputation, the csl has SMG and 2 colours silver and black. thats the end of it.

[cslsuperfan]

somehow i cant like these replica csls, nor these modifications which include some OEM parts, not to mention those poser e46 m3 cars in the US. These are spoiling the reputation of the CSL. i wish there would be a rule to buy parts just specifically for the original car, because i find it shit, to see a normal e46 m3 with a csl trunk. As for this manual csl, its the same thing, spoiling the reputation, the csl has SMG and 2 colours silver and black. thats the end of it.

I have to agree on non csl vin numbers getting parts, but I think all these stock M3's modifying their cars to look like csl's further reinforces what we all know and that is the csl is a very special car and not available to all.:smt055

[mattCSLnut]

I have to agree on non csl vin numbers getting parts, but I think all these stock M3's modifying their cars to like like csl's further reinforces what we all know and that is the csl is a very special car and not available to all.:smt055
I couldn't agree more :thumbs:

[Csl spurs]

Thank god we are all different and have different opinions each to there own!


somehow i cant like these replica csls, nor these modifications which include some OEM parts, not to mention those poser e46 m3 cars in the US. These are spoiling the reputation of the CSL. i wish there would be a rule to buy parts just specifically for the original car, because i find it shit, to see a normal e46 m3 with a csl trunk. As for this manual csl, its the same thing, spoiling the reputation, the csl has SMG and 2 colours silver and black. thats the end of it.

[Mike R]

I think you will find that it is the demand for the CSL parts for our lower ;) E46 M3 brethren that have kept the items in production by BMW in the first place.....:blalalala:

As long as there is a big demand for the parts, then BMW are going to keep producing them and selling them. As soon as the demand dries up, so will production..... :(

IMO this car is an absolute credit to the owner, the level of detail and determination (and financial commitment) should only be appreciated IMO.

[cslsuperfan]

I think you will find that it is the demand for the CSL parts for our lower ;) E46 M3 brethren that have kept the items in production by BMW in the first place.....:blalalala:

As long as there is a big demand for the parts, then BMW are going to keep producing them and selling them. As soon as the demand dries up, so will production..... :(

IMO this car is an absolute credit to the owner, the level of detail and determination (and financial commitment) should only be appreciated IMO.

The engine cover is a lovely addition to the car....Are these a one off or are they available to buy as is?

[Neil M]

I think you will find that it is the demand for the CSL parts for our lower ;) E46 M3 brethren that have kept the items in production by BMW in the first place.....:blalalala:

As long as there is a big demand for the parts, then BMW are going to keep producing them and selling them. As soon as the demand dries up, so will production..... :(

IMO this car is an absolute credit to the owner, the level of detail and determination (and financial commitment) should only be appreciated IMO.

Seconded! :whistle:

[Csl spurs]

Cheers Mike:thumbs:


I think you will find that it is the demand for the CSL parts for our lower ;) E46 M3 brethren that have kept the items in production by BMW in the first place.....:blalalala:

As long as there is a big demand for the parts, then BMW are going to keep producing them and selling them. As soon as the demand dries up, so will production..... :(

IMO this car is an absolute credit to the owner, the level of detail and determination (and financial commitment) should only be appreciated IMO.

[Csl spurs]

Thanks Neil.:thumbs:



Seconded! :whistle:

[Marv968]

I think it looks bloody brilliant. It's been done properly as well, which counts for a hell of a lot IMO.

[Csl spurs]

:beer:



I think it looks bloody brilliant. It's been done properly as well, which counts for a hell of a lot IMO.

[Csl spurs]

Pictures from magazine.

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[shimmy]

Nice bit of work...but everybody certainly doesn't want a manual....I don't, and BMW engineers certainly didn't.

[Bounce]

Nice bit of work...but everybody certainly doesn't want a manual....I don't, and BMW engineers certainly didn't.+1 ;)

[Csl spurs]

Not my words in the article unfortunately! Some people prefer smg some prefer manual it's personal choice I guess.



Nice bit of work...but everybody certainly doesn't want a manual....I don't, and BMW engineers certainly didn't.

[Mike R]

Nice bit of work...but everybody certainly doesn't want a manual....I don't, and BMW engineers certainly didn't.

Having owned my CSL for over a year now, I find the SMG a bit anodyne on the road - its just not as an involving experience as a manual, but on the track (where the CSL belongs), it just comes into its own.

I think I'd love to be in the position of the OP - manual CSL for the road (manually heel and toeing must be an absolute joy), and the real thing for the track :).

[alexk]

Nice bit of work...but everybody certainly doesn't want a manual....I don't, and BMW engineers certainly didn't.

Amen brother :thumbs:

[Marv968]

Nice bit of work...but everybody certainly doesn't want a manual....I don't, and BMW engineers certainly didn't.

I wonder if BMW actually made a CSL test mule with a manual box?

I have read that Porsche did make a 991 GT3 test mule, with a manual box, but they decided that they preferred PDK.

Just because BMW chose SMG for the CSL, doesn't mean that some of the development team would have preferred a manual box though...there might have been pressure from above to push for the CSL to have SMG, as it was the forefront of their gearbox technology at the time.

[Neil M]

Where would DCT be without SMG, the days of the 'Sinclair Spectrum' are long gone, embrace the future!
You might not like it but it's here to stay, at least for the time being.:thumbs:

[alexk]

I love this BS about the amazing feeling of manual boxes and the unbelievable drivers man-handling the manual boxes.
Last time I checked, racing cars had non-manual boxes the last 20 years :whistle:

[Mike R]

I love this BS about the amazing feeling of manual boxes and the unbelievable drivers man-handling the manual boxes.
Last time I checked, racing cars had non-manual boxes the last 20 years :whistle:

But most of us are talking about the different involvement levels (at normal speed limits) on the road compared to the track. I wouldn't have the CSL anything other than SMG for the track (where IMO it adds a level of involvement, as it allows you to concentrate even more on making it just lap fast - it's main remit AFAIAC), but on the road it is a bit boring unless you drive it at licence loosing speeds or are doing big skids (again likely to get you locked up). This is why I put the Supersprint on it - to make it more of an occasion on the road - the cold start up is just ear-bleedingly immense (although I'm not sure my neighbours would agree :hahaha: ) :).

[glendog74]

Owning both a E46 M3 CSL and a manual gearbox E46 M3 Coupé of the same age, I can categorically state that the manual sucks compared to SMG!

The throw is so long and the manual shift speeds are way off SMG of course - even when I concentrate, lol! Arguably it has more 'driver involvement' but it really is not enjoyable involvement and in fact can be a real chore to change gear at times. I can only imagine how shit and frustrating it would be on track when compared to an SMG car! :banghead:

Perhaps having owned the CSL for 6 years has made me a lazier driver when it comes to gearboxes but I wouldn't consider another manual gearbox in any future car purchases. You only have to look at how many modern cars have modern sequential/DCT/DSG gearboxes fitted nowadays - progress! :thumbs:

[AlexGTT]

Agreed Rob. People go on and on about how shite SMG is and mine has never given a moments trouble. Of all the flappy paddle boxes I've used over the years I actually prefer it. It's one of the few that feels like there's a mechanical process going on.............and it's plenty quick enough changing gears.

The bad rep has no doubt come because people don't know how the use the SMG properly to preserve the clutch and stop it slurring. Yes in full auto mode it's not good but no-one should ever use auto mode.

Mine has done high 70k miles and has had one clutch at 35k miles. It feels as sharp as ever.

Going onto the CSL rep, good luck to the chap. Looks like a lovely car. I like.:smokin:

[LeinsCSL]

I don't want a manual box in my CSL
I don't want an SMG in my E30
I don't want to go on a track
I don't get bored
I don't care

Nice CSL Rep though btw! :)

[Loaded]

What a car! Amazing work on it.

[shimmy]

I don't want a manual box in my CSL
I don't want an SMG in my E30
I don't want to go on a track
I don't get bored
I don't care

Nice CSL Rep though btw! :)

cooo you are so negative....isn't the recession over there yet?

[LeinsCSL]

cooo you are so negative....isn't the recession over there yet?

It ended and summer started the next day Shim, I'm happy again now :) Well a bit anyway ;)

[shimmy]

It ended and summer started the next day Shim, I'm happy again now :) Well a bit anyway ;)

What about 2015 CSL trip over the Irish Sea

[LeinsCSL]

What about 2015 CSL trip over the Irish Sea

Now you're talking! :thumbs::beer:

Will have to make sure Baz is back from captaining for it too, bit of a circuit of Ireland

[shimmy]

Now you're talking! :thumbs::beer:

Will have to make sure Baz is back from captaining for it too, bit of a circuit of Ireland

I think it's a wonderful idea...maybe half term May :)

[Bounce]

If we are doing the Guinness brewery tour I'm in :smokin:

[LeinsCSL]

I think it's a wonderful idea...maybe half term May :)

That could indeed be a plan. Will have to investigate the logistics and what's happening about the place then


If we are doing the Guinness brewery tour I'm in :smokin:

And the Jameson distillery after as a chaser of course :)

[shimmy]

If we are doing the Guinness brewery tour I'm in :smokin:

I think you might be talking out of turn .....need to get permission :) :supz:

Partner was well? I know Kirsty will be up for it.

NeilM, you coming!

[Rick H]

If we are doing the Guinness brewery tour I'm in :smokin:

CSLs on Dublins cobbled streets should be interesting :)

[Bounce]

I think you might be talking out of turn .....need to get permission :) :supz:

Partner was well? I know Kirsty will be up for it.

I wear the trousers in this relationship,she just tells me which ones to put on :bigcry:
Yeah partners too.:):)

[rstoughy]

I wear the trousers in this relationship,she just tells me which ones to put on :bigcry:
Yeah partners too.:):)

Hahahaha :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

[Olive]

What a car! Amazing work on it.

Fully Agree. Exceptionnal car.:smt055

[Loaded]

Fully Agree. Exceptionnal car.:smt055

+1