Thorney Motorsport Custom Remap

[mattbedford]

Been looking at this for sale. Does the re-mapping make it a better car or is it one to steer clear of??

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/851372.htm

[Andyk]

Thorney are a rspected CSL specialist so should not be a problem to be honest. Not driven one with the remap but it doesn't add much more BHP and has been done to 'smooth the ride'...what ever that means...purhaps a smother power delivery maybe.....sure Daz or someone will confirm.

Wouldn't worry about it as it's Thorney...maybe ring them and ask the a few questions....seems very resonably proced for miles as well.

[SMD]

I would like to know who has had this done to a standard CSL and what they thought!

Anyone know the price of the Re Map? :whistle:

[DazBlackCSL]

Thorney are a rspected CSL specialist so should not be a problem to be honest. Not driven one with the remap but it doesn't add much more BHP and has been done to 'smooth the ride'...what ever that means...purhaps a smother power delivery maybe.....sure Daz or someone will confirm.

Wouldn't worry about it as it's Thorney...maybe ring them and ask the a few questions....seems very resonably proced for miles as well.

Give John a bell , he will be able to fill you in on the car , all OK though and nothing to worry about , he has looked after all my cars , and building my current race car.

Driven John's on track and road and its very smooth , not had it done myself as im slowly doing bits , Brakes - Suspension , then exhaust and upgrade if I decide to go that route .. but as andy says nothing to worry about , give it a little edge and from a trusted tuner :thumbs:

Would only go for buy from trusted actual tuners / Thorney / BMSport etc not those bolt on monkeys , who sell bits, but dont have full experience / rolling road and depth of knowledge, stay clear of some out there !!

[Windowlicker]

Basically improves throttle response and mid/top end torque, helps it pull harder right through to the limiter, also removes top end speed limiter,
20hp sounds a bit optimistic ,from Thorneys site that is.


(SI.... i spoke to CA recently about their remaps, their flash map of a std car adds around 9-10 bhp but again , does the above in relation to throttle response etc. Costs £450 inc vat and ....... get this, they come to your home/work and install the map, all in for the £450 :119: :119:
If you are not impressed/dont like their work, they will uninstall it , and refund.
Pretty furking reasonable if you ask me.
Anyone on here had any experience of their mapping ??

[SMD]

Sounds good Nick! :drool:
Makes evo's seem so expensive! :banghead:

How much is the Thorney Re Map? :whistle:

[Windowlicker]

Sounds good Nick! :drool:
Makes evo's seem so expensive! :banghead:

How much is the Thorney Re Map? :whistle:

I dont know what you mean si :whistle: my last mapping bill from RB was £1000, for pump and race fuel maps that is :bigcry:

The Thorney one is £650 all in, and a trip to Milton Keynes :banghead:

[SMD]

Thorney not that far for me!

I think i would have the Thorney Re Map over the CA. No reason for it just Thorney have a better/bigger name for it!

[DazBlackCSL]

Thorney not that far for me!

I think i would have the Thorney Re Map over the CA. No reason for it just Thorney have a better/bigger name for it!

Wise choice :wink:

[SMD]

Can you get any discount Daz? :whistle: :-D

[DazBlackCSL]

Im sure he will do you a deal ;-)


:-D

[SMD]

CSL Register Mapping Day at Thorney?

[Windowlicker]

Wise choice :wink:

How so???

[2bar boost]

CSL Register Mapping Day at Thorney?

:smt017 Came here to get away from all this ffs :whistle:
:smt102 7weeks and it's still standard :thumbs:

[_Nathan_]

CSL Register Mapping Day at Thorney?

CSL register unmapping day elsewhere afterwards to get more power ;)

(only going on a graph I've seen where a CSL made more power after being reverted to standard from a Thorney map).

Having driven a Thorney (based on superchips) stage one car I thought my standard car felt quicker? I guess felt quicker and is quicker are different things though in all fairness.

Anyone quoting 20bhp from just a remap on a healthy engine is talking nonsense.

[shimmy]

not had Thorneys SC remap but had 3 others by well known companies (paid for only one before you think i am mad) and my recommnedation is if you have CSL either save your money or only do it if you have full stage 2 or 3 upgrades to have any chance of improvements (minor)

M3 might find a few single bhp i guess but not much more

there are better ways of spending your money i believe :thumbs:

http://www.claudiabassols.com/images/Claudia%20Bassols.jpg

[Nords]

Sounds good Nick! :drool:
Makes evo's seem so expensive! :banghead:

How much is the Thorney Re Map? :whistle:

I dont know what you mean si :whistle: my last mapping bill from RB was £1000, for pump and race fuel maps that is :bigcry:

The Thorney one is £650 all in, and a trip to Milton Keynes :banghead:

I think John does it on the dyno so perhaps that includes dyno time too. 20bhp is rubbish as said, although you may get a before and after dyno print?

[bryce]

shimmy

Agree with you there mate. The standard map feels good enough for me and bang for buck the maps seem unjustifiable.

BMWs got the CSL down to a T in my opinion.

[DazBlackCSL]

not had Thorneys SC remap but had 3 others by well known companies (paid for only one before you think i am mad) and my recommnedation is unless you have CSL either save your money or only do it if you have full stage 2 or 3 upgrades to have any chance of improvements (minor)

M3 might find a few single bhp i guess but not much more

there are better ways of spending your money i believe :thumbs:

http://www.claudiabassols.com/images/Claudia%20Bassols.jpg



Far Far better way of spending money , I'm with shimmy ! :-D

[bryce]

there are better ways of spending your money i believe :thumbs:

http://www.claudiabassols.com/images/Claudia%20Bassols.jpg

On high class ladies?? :whistle:

[_Nathan_]

Will she let you go halves?

[bryce]

For £650 I'd want the lot.

[DazBlackCSL]

Wise choice :wink:

How so???

Just my opinion , nothing else , which is what forums are all about after all !
:clown:

[_Nathan_]

You could go halves and have 325 left over for beer, coke and a kebab :D

[DazBlackCSL]

:hahaha:

Anyway back on topic !!

The car you were talking about is prob a good car , im also happy with my performance in the CSL , think the Q was about the car for sale !!

[shimmy]

there are better ways of spending your money i believe :thumbs:

http://www.claudiabassols.com/images/Claudia%20Bassols.jpg

On high class ladies?? :whistle:

anyway back on topic :-D

that's Claudia Bassols of Spanish and 'Spain On The Road Again' and i am in love with her and i want everybody to know, including my wife (I did tell her last week)

You can all only dream of my Claudia, not a svelt model type but just DDG

[shimmy]

Wise choice :wink:

How so???


yes wise choice, cant argue with that. If you're gonna waste some cash you might as well do it without travelling to far :thumbs:

i went all the way to Wales for mine

[Windowlicker]

Wise choice :wink:

How so???

Just my opinion , nothing else , which is what forums are all about after all !
:clown:

Keep your stetson on Bandit :blalalala:

It was merely a question relating to whether you knew something i didnt know, and should know, as ,if i didnt know i would have wished i had known what you may have known , but failed to elaborate on :hahaha:
Comprendez :thumbs:

[glendog74]

I had a Stage 2 remap but had to revert to Stage 1 as insurer threw toys out of the pram! Minimal power gains from both, better mid-range though.

Knowing what i know now i wish i hadn't bothered and should have spent my money on the AP upgrade sooner! :smt104

[Andyk]

I'm with the 'BMW has done it so well why mess' crowd. Don't see the point but everyone to their own. Understand brakes and limiter kit but thats about it.

[Thorney]

Yeah 20bhp on the website does seem a little generous, I'll change that now, we have seen up to 20bhp on some cars, the CSL and M3 areas are due for a re-write due to the adding of the manifold to the tuning so its just been left I think, sorry. Typically the gains are 10-15bhp but does depend on the car. We dyno the cars as they come in and then write a custom map for the car on the dyno adjusting as necessary for the car so it does depend on the car as it comes in (running on 95 fuel for example will meanless power both before and after) but the gains are quite impressive.

An NA engine like the CSL will never gain huge hp on a simple remap but the power delivery is smoother, torque is increased throughout the rev range and of course the top speed limit is removed (should that be of interest). We would only do this via the dyno, the idea of turning up on someones doorstep to map a £10k engine seems a little risky IMO but there you go. The idea of the pre dyno runs are to ensure the car is running fine, you'd be amazed at how many CSL's come in with problems the owner had no idea were there (flap not working is a good one).

As with all our upgrades you get to try before you buy so if you dont like we just refund you, simple as that, we have a long built reputation on CSL's (as most people here know I run one myself and have done for the alst 3 years) so I'm not about to mess that up with silly claims. The stage 1 is more about fine tuning that bolting on meaninglful power. The stage 2 on the other hand offers far more dramatic power gains and we're about to re-write the website to include the new manifold (now that they have actually arrived at last) which again adds meaningful power gains this will be our new stage 3 and the 4 adds the cams on, all are custom mapped.

[Windowlicker]

Yeah 20bhp on the website does seem a little generous, I'll change that now, we have seen up to 20bhp on some cars, the CSL and M3 areas are due for a re-write due to the adding of the manifold to the tuning so its just been left I think, sorry. Typically the gains are 10-15bhp but does depend on the car. We dyno the cars as they come in and then write a custom map for the car on the dyno adjusting as necessary for the car so it does depend on the car as it comes in (running on 95 fuel for example will meanless power both before and after) but the gains are quite impressive.

An NA engine like the CSL will never gain huge hp on a simple remap but the power delivery is smoother, torque is increased throughout the rev range and of course the top speed limit is removed (should that be of interest). We would only do this via the dyno, the idea of turning up on someones doorstep to map a £10k engine seems a little risky IMO but there you go. The idea of the pre dyno runs are to ensure the car is running fine, you'd be amazed at how many CSL's come in with problems the owner had no idea were there (flap not working is a good one).

As with all our upgrades you get to try before you buy so if you dont like we just refund you, simple as that, we have a long built reputation on CSL's (as most people here know I run one myself and have done for the alst 3 years) so I'm not about to mess that up with silly claims. The stage 1 is more about fine tuning that bolting on meaninglful power. The stage 2 on the other hand offers far more dramatic power gains and we're about to re-write the website to include the new manifold (now that they have actually arrived at last) which again adds meaningful power gains this will be our new stage 3 and the 4 adds the cams on, all are custom mapped.

Fair enough , nice response :smokin: :thumbs:

Off at a slight tangent, other than noise suppression, does the intake flap serve any other purpose, and does removing it have any negative effects at all ??
Many thanks.

[englebert]

A claimed 20bhp is the sort of Max Power marketing spiel that means i would personally never take the plunge. I never trust tuners that give claimed power figures, as its all about enticing the naiive... wave the biggest power figure around, and you get the money.

[SMD]

Yeah 20bhp on the website does seem a little generous, I'll change that now, we have seen up to 20bhp on some cars, the CSL and M3 areas are due for a re-write due to the adding of the manifold to the tuning so its just been left I think, sorry. Typically the gains are 10-15bhp but does depend on the car. We dyno the cars as they come in and then write a custom map for the car on the dyno adjusting as necessary for the car so it does depend on the car as it comes in (running on 95 fuel for example will meanless power both before and after) but the gains are quite impressive.

An NA engine like the CSL will never gain huge hp on a simple remap but the power delivery is smoother, torque is increased throughout the rev range and of course the top speed limit is removed (should that be of interest). We would only do this via the dyno, the idea of turning up on someones doorstep to map a £10k engine seems a little risky IMO but there you go. The idea of the pre dyno runs are to ensure the car is running fine, you'd be amazed at how many CSL's come in with problems the owner had no idea were there (flap not working is a good one).

As with all our upgrades you get to try before you buy so if you dont like we just refund you, simple as that, we have a long built reputation on CSL's (as most people here know I run one myself and have done for the alst 3 years) so I'm not about to mess that up with silly claims. The stage 1 is more about fine tuning that bolting on meaninglful power. The stage 2 on the other hand offers far more dramatic power gains and we're about to re-write the website to include the new manifold (now that they have actually arrived at last) which again adds meaningful power gains this will be our new stage 3 and the 4 adds the cams on, all are custom mapped.

Fair enough , nice response :smokin: :thumbs:

Off at a slight tangent, other than noise suppression, does the intake flap serve any other purpose, and does removing it have any negative effects at all ??
Many thanks.

Get the Flap out!
Mine is out. Only fitted for german noise regs! :thumbs:

[Windowlicker]

Fair enough , nice response :smokin: :thumbs:

Off at a slight tangent, other than noise suppression, does the intake flap serve any other purpose, and does removing it have any negative effects at all ??
Many thanks.

Get the Flap out!
Mine is out. Only fitted for german noise regs! :thumbs:

Hence my question to someone who actually knows, rather than someone who heard it from someone who read it on a forum. :whistle:

[SMD]

Nope been told buy a good friend who has a mass knowledge of CSL's etc! :thumbs:

[Thorney]

THeir primary purpose is noise, however at lower RPM the restricted airlow is used by the MAP to adjust fueling, its minor but there.

[BMsport.com]

The flap is there just for noise control.

There is no restricted air flow at LOWER rpm, with the flap closed it sucks it in through the airduct attached to the underside of the airbox.

BMW wouldn't and haven't put a big flap in the front of the airbox to restrict airflow. Its all about noise control. To control airflow they have throttle plates, if they want to restrict air flow they close the throttle plates, so simple.

Nigel.

[Windowlicker]

The flap is there just for noise control.

There is no restricted air flow at LOWER rpm, with the flap closed it sucks it in through the airduct attached to the underside of the airbox.

BMW wouldn't and haven't put a big flap in the front of the airbox to restrict airflow. Its all about noise control. To control airflow they have throttle plates, if they want to restrict air flow they close the throttle plates, so simple.

Nigel.

So BMW went to the expense and effort of prducing a carbon airbox with an electronically controlled flap, a complex design required to house and control all this flappage, and it serves no purpose whatsoever?????????

Surely there is some sort of Ram air effect when at speed, as the snorkel on top of the slam panel assists with the air intake when the flap is open.

The airflow from the slam panel snorkel thorugh the open flap must be equal if not greater then the flow through the restictive "behind flap" pipework??

Why didnt BMW just make a closed airbox using the intake hole in the bumper as the sole feed. would have cost less, less to go wrong, and probably easier to make.

[dave1]

all japenese bikes and now ducati's have a computer controlled flap in the exhaust downpipe's just for noise reg's

[_Nathan_]

The flap is there just for noise control.

There is no restricted air flow at LOWER rpm, with the flap closed it sucks it in through the airduct attached to the underside of the airbox.

BMW wouldn't and haven't put a big flap in the front of the airbox to restrict airflow. Its all about noise control. To control airflow they have throttle plates, if they want to restrict air flow they close the throttle plates, so simple.

Nigel.

So BMW went to the expense and effort of prducing a carbon airbox with an electronically controlled flap, a complex design required to house and control all this flappage, and it serves no purpose whatsoever?????????


Er read his first sentence, quite clearly states what the purpose is...

I've taken mine off as it kept sticking

[Windowlicker]

The flap is there just for noise control.

There is no restricted air flow at LOWER rpm, with the flap closed it sucks it in through the airduct attached to the underside of the airbox.

BMW wouldn't and haven't put a big flap in the front of the airbox to restrict airflow. Its all about noise control. To control airflow they have throttle plates, if they want to restrict air flow they close the throttle plates, so simple.

Nigel.

So BMW went to the expense and effort of prducing a carbon airbox with an electronically controlled flap, a complex design required to house and control all this flappage, and it serves no purpose whatsoever?????????


Er read his first sentence, quite clearly states what the purpose is...

I've taken mine off as it kept sticking

I know what he said, i was just questioning the fact that if that is the sole function, and adequate airflow is available from the intake behind the flap, why even bother with an open airbox at all, why not just have a closed airbox bar the bottom feeding pipework, that takes its feed from the bumper hole.
No Noise issues, therefore no flap required , therefore cheaper and less complex .

[_Nathan_]

I don't see where anyone has said there is adequate air at all rev ranges from the internal intake - hence the car being down on power if it is stuck shut. Nigel was just saying that at low rpm the amount of air entering the engine is controlled by the throttle plates in the throttle bodies, not the air box flap.

Either way it makes bugger all difference to low speed running if you take it off.

[RichW]

Windowlicker, i think you've read into what Nigel has said wrongly.

He said that there was adequate airflow and no air restriction for low range rpm, he said nothing about higher rpm's, and nothing about the design of the airbox, the conversation is competely about the reason for the flap - low noise at low rpm.


:)

[E46ACS]

RIGHT! :smt066

CSLRegister.com by-law 37b. :smt027

All members who have not done so already, must go and remove their flap IMMEDIATELY! :smt075

Let the nation hear us ROAR!!!!!! :smt097 :supz:

[Bealo]

Mines been removed for about 2 months now and i never noticed any difference in low speed running. :thumbs:

[Windowlicker]

Windowlicker, i think you've read into what Nigel has said wrongly.

He said that there was adequate airflow and no air restriction for low range rpm, he said nothing about higher rpm's, and nothing about the design of the airbox, the conversation is competely about the reason for the flap - low noise at low rpm.


:)

Fair enough rich, but 6000 rpm isnt exactly low is it? and as the flap doesnt open until then in non sport mode, i assume there is adequate flow until that point,
I guess as my original point in the question ,related to whether any one in the know, could Definitively state that there is no issues at all in removing the flap , we then get 2 tuners with a different viewpoint, one says marginal fueling issues, (marginal as in wont really matter so dont worry about it, though they dont remove the flap on their own development car running 400 hp) another saying no issues whatsoever and it has no function but noise deadening.
Not exactly crystal clear.

[RichW]

I would assume the reason that the flap doesnt open until 6000rpm in non sport made is because it is trying to do what it is designed to do - i.e. keep the engine note down, above 6000rpm the engine obviously needs the wider intake so BMW had no option but to program it to open at that point.

Lets not forget either, theres alot of difference between adequate and ideal, which is why it opens at 3500rpm when sport mode is on.

[glendog74]

CSLRegister.com by-law 37b. :smt027

All members who have not done so already, must go and remove their flap IMMEDIATELY! :smt075

Hear hear! Get rid! :smt074

[SpineOnABap]

I guess as my original point in the question ,related to whether any one in the know, could Definitively state that there is no issues at all in removing the flap

It's not an issue.

Members of sites that have been around since CSL day#1 have been running 'flap-less' for many, many years. If there ain't many on here it's because this site, with respect, was about 5 years too late :thumbs:

[Windowlicker]

I would assume the reason that the flap doesnt open until 6000rpm in non sport made is because it is trying to do what it is designed to do - i.e. keep the engine note down, above 6000rpm the engine obviously needs the wider intake so BMW had no option but to program it to open at that point.

Lets not forget either, theres alot of difference between adequate and ideal, which is why it opens at 3500rpm when sport mode is on.

As far as i was aware sport mode isnt an increased power map, it just changes throttle response and opens the flap sooner, so if its not ideal at say 4500 in sport mode, then surely the same applies for normal mode???
I thought buying one of these would stop my head popping like it did with the evo :hahaha: its still making it hurt :banghead:

[glendog74]

Widowlicker - you think too much man! :hahaha:

[Windowlicker]

Widowlicker - you think too much man! :hahaha:

I highly resemble that remark!! :whistle: :-D

[RichW]

As far as i was aware sport mode isnt an increased power map, it just changes throttle response and opens the flap sooner, so if its not ideal at say 4500 in sport mode, then surely the same applies for normal mode???
I thought buying one of these would stop my head popping like it did with the evo :hahaha: its still making it hurt :banghead:


In sport mode when the throttles open faster, then they will need air faster, hence the flap been open?

I think your worrying about something that is irrelevant too :-D

[shimmy]

now we are all guessing i think!

:thumbs:

[Jaw_F430]

I would say leave it on unless you are having problems with it :thumbs:

I use my CSL everyday and it is nice to have the option to 3500rpm or 6000rpm :hahaha:




I have had similar conversations with people removing the flap from the John Cooper Works Airbox on the Mini Cooper S. People remove it just to get the noise from lower rpms as that opens at 4500rpm (I have left mine on though). Again it is for noise regs

[Mark CSL]

Why do people remove it. When it stops working get bmw to fix it :hahaha:

Its free with bmw warranty or is it just me :whistle:

[E46ACS]

To be honest, I'm happy to leave mine on.

I like the option to suit my mood. When I want the NOISE, I push the Sport button.

A lot of the time i'm happy to run in non-sport mode, and "treat" myself (& others :wink: ) to the Sport mode.

[SMD]

My Airbox Flap motor didnt brake i just wanted to remove it! Induction noise all the time! :notworthy:

[karbonkid]

To be honest, I'm happy to leave mine on.

I like the option to suit my mood. When I want the NOISE, I push the Sport button.

A lot of the time i'm happy to run in non-sport mode, and "treat" myself (& others :wink: ) to the Sport mode.

Same. :-D

[karbonkid]

If you remove, you dont get quicker response thou, just the noise right?

[DazBlackCSL]

Im the same as you lot , if i want noise all the time , Sport on all the time , nice to have the option , and as you say , when you locked in and on it everything set to max


:thumbs: :-D

[DazBlackCSL]

If you remove, you dont get quicker response thou, just the noise right?

Yes your right removing flap , only gives you noise all the time , nothing happens to the performance or response

[karbonkid]

At what RPM do you hear the induction roar with the flap removed? from start off? :drool:

[2bar boost]

I only like sport mode :drool:

[_Nathan_]

In the rain I prefer the throttle map of non sport - I like the noise all the time though so when it broke it was a no brainer to remove, 5 mins work.

[benCSL]

[quote="_Nathan_"]In the rain I prefer the throttle map of non sport -[quote]

Me too, and in town traffic....

[1cosmicboy]

by ure a bloody sad bunch if ure gettin this wound up over a plastic flap .lol rather spend my spare time tinkering with other type of flaps . :drool: just ask E46ACS he,s met the owner of them :smt055

[shimmy]

In the rain I prefer the throttle map of non sport -

Me too, and in town traffic....


girls! :whistle:


or les filles (i think)

[glendog74]

rather spend my spare time tinkering with other type of flaps . :drool:

Yeah - me too! :snakeman:

[Andyk]

rather spend my spare time tinkering with other type of flaps . :drool:

Yeah - me too! :snakeman:

Not me after watching the wife have the baby last Thursday..... :smt120 ....i'll stick to the flaps on the steering wheel for a while I think.

[glendog74]

Not me after watching the wife have the baby last Thursday..... :smt120 ....i'll stick to the flaps on the steering wheel for a while I think.

Funny as Fook! :hahaha:

[dave1]

you wont be saying that soon rob!

[glendog74]

you wont be saying that soon rob!

Hopefully it will be a Ceasarean! :-D

[1cosmicboy]

you wont be saying that soon rob!

Hopefully it will be a Ceasarean! :-D
what star sign is that :-D

[Mark CSL]

Or just make sure the stich it up a bit :whistle:

The CSL is not the only thing with a sticking Flap :hahaha:

[Andyk]

Or just make sure the stich it up a bit :whistle:

The CSL is not the only thing with a sticking Flap :hahaha:

Remind me not to get involved with any of your X's Mark

[sailorbaz]

This is going quickly down hill...or did I miss that boat? :smokin:

I removed mine for a while but ashamed to say, the noise got a bit tiresome. *Ducks and takes cover* It was stuck closed, so removed it for a while but since I have warranty, I replaced it and took it back to get sorted.