What would you buy?

[shane@mbtech]

£40k budget.

GTR......higher running costs putting me off slightly, but I can get an 09 model for £35k, which is reasonable value. Will it lose much more?
Heavy on tyres, brakes and fuel. But great fun, and epic fast, especially with 600bhp. Which I can get to for £1200 ish. Great euro gt cars too.

E92 M3dct......approx £30 to £33k to buy, but i fear will depreciate quickly?
Great road car, pretty quick on track too, just a little heavier than the csl. But has that M feel, and nice place to be, I imagine would be great to travel to europe in.


A45 AMG.......new, good advert for my business, but with a few options is £42,640, will depreciate quickly I fear, and will I hate the fwd feel? Bit of unknown, although seems to be trouncing the m135i in all arenas ATM,

Cayman R PDK....... Great car,pretty quick, good residuals, but not very practical, I really want something that the 2 nippers can fit in the back of.

Now discount the csl as that is on the list, but for reasons of impartiality, I thought it best not to include in the list (for now)

Car will be used mainly for euro jaunts, ring and spa trip, occasional trackday.


Thoughts please guys:supz:

Alternatives welcome, but must be auto spastic/dual clutch etc

[KPNUTZ]

Hmmm tough call there, id kinda opt for the GTR over the M3 simply for the extra grunt and the epic handling though the M3 will be more 'fun' when on it.

Id throw in a 1M as it has bits of all of the above, massive grunt, fun handling and is an M car.

[s1csl]

You missed out the 1M £35,000+ and with the BMW warranty you cant go wrong:beer:
not auto thought

[GregorJP]

I've demonstrated my preference.

[3wheels3]

£40k budget.

GTR......higher running costs

E92 M3dct...... fear will depreciate quickly ... heavier


A45 AMG....... depreciate quickly

Cayman R PDK....... want something that the 2 nippers can fit in

for euro jaunts, ring and spa trip, occasional trackday.


auto spastic

I think you know what you need to do...you make the case soo well :hahaha: hahaha

[Mike R]

Have you driven a GTR and a DCT M3? I considered the GTR before I bought the CSL, due to all the rave reviews. I really wanted to like it, as it appeared like it would do everything I wanted out of a car (fast road, track, long distances and the 'ring).

In standard format, it just didn't feel quick and the engine noise when it changed gears was like a slush box (I hate that kind of autobox tone change with a passion). It also felt nervy at big speeds (admittedly the suspension was on the hardest setting) and it's a very big car and so it is the weight that really sanitises the performance. As a by-product of this, it consumes the consumables (discs, pads and tyres) at a vast rate of knots when you start to abuse it - all of which leads to REALLY high running costs. Also, when used on track, you have to keep any eye on the transmission temps, if the oil goes over 125 deg, it HAS be changed, or Nissan will not warrant the transmission if a high temp is logged and it isn't renewed. However, it did nothing for me and sounded like a washing machine - I think they'd have to do an "RS" style version for me to be able to overlook this aspect.

If you're going for the M3, you'd probably want the Competition version - still the same issues as the GTR (weight), but it instantly needs aftermarket brakes and seats if you're going to use it like the CSL, as the standard ones are the usual M let-down, and it seems to be more of a GT car than a focused driver's car.

I've not driven the Cayman PDK and have no desire to - despite it being one of the best Porsches in cuurent production, as I like my Porsches to have the engine in the wrong place and with a manual 'box, although the new 991 GT3 is the first PDK car I have ever lusted after.

I realise you have to have something that changes gear for you, but the CSL really is rather special, even in this elevated company and I can't think of anything else suitable.

[shane@mbtech]

Ive owned both mike, gtr is transformed with a different exhaust. I agree it is far too muted standard.

It is heavy and I know heavy on brakes, fuel, tyres. But still a great machine. Although ultimately I feel I will get better reward from an M3.

If I bought m3 I would put brakes, seats and suspension, much like I would do with csl.

Decisions.

I am tempted for another csl, would love to come kick shimmys ass:thumbs:



Have you driven a GTR and a DCT M3? I considered the GTR before I bought the CSL, due to all the rave reviews. I really wanted to like it, as it appeared like it would do everything I wanted out of a car (fast road, track, long distances and the 'ring).

In standard format, it just didn't feel quick and the engine noise when it changed gears was like a slush box (I hate that kind of autobox tone change with a passion). It also felt nervy at big speeds (admittedly the suspension was on the hardest setting) and it's a very big car and so it is the weight that really sanitises the performance. As a by-product of this, it consumes the consumables (discs, pads and tyres) at a vast rate of knots when you start to abuse it - all of which leads to REALLY high running costs. Also, when used on track, you have to keep any eye on the transmission temps, if the oil goes over 125 deg, it HAS be changed, or Nissan will not warrant the transmission if a high temp is logged and it isn't renewed. However, it did nothing for me and sounded like a washing machine - I think they'd have to do an "RS" style version for me to be able to overlook this aspect.

If you're going for the M3, you'd probably want the Competition version - still the same issues as the GTR (weight), but it instantly needs aftermarket brakes and seats if you're going to use it like the CSL, as the standard ones are the usual M let-down, and it seems to be more of a GT car than a focused driver's car.

I've not driven the Cayman PDK and have no desire to - despite it being one of the best Porsches in cuurent production, as I like my Porsches to have the engine in the wrong place and with a manual 'box, although the new 991 GT3 is the first PDK car I have ever lusted after.

I realise you have to have something that changes gear for you, but the CSL really is rather special, even in this elevated company and I can't think of anything else suitable.

[_Nathan_]

135i is 10k cheaper than Merc, you'd hope it was being beaten!

Nothing useful to add other than ditch the nippers and get a CLK Black with the gearbox mods :smt055

[Yanto]

996 Turbo S Tip ?

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-turbo-996/simply-the-best--porsche-996-turbo-s-tiptronic-coupe-05-05/1291844

[mattCSLnut]

£40k budget.

GTR......higher running costs putting me off slightly, but I can get an 09 model for £35k, which is reasonable value. Will it lose much more?
Heavy on tyres, brakes and fuel. But great fun, and epic fast, especially with 600bhp. Which I can get to for £1200 ish. Great euro gt cars too.

E92 M3dct......approx £30 to £33k to buy, but i fear will depreciate quickly?
Great road car, pretty quick on track too, just a little heavier than the csl. But has that M feel, and nice place to be, I imagine would be great to travel to europe in.


A45 AMG.......new, good advert for my business, but with a few options is £42,640, will depreciate quickly I fear, and will I hate the fwd feel? Bit of unknown, although seems to be trouncing the m135i in all arenas ATM,

Cayman R PDK....... Great car,pretty quick, good residuals, but not very practical, I really want something that the 2 nippers can fit in the back of.

Now discount the csl as that is on the list, but for reasons of impartiality, I thought it best not to include in the list (for now)

Car will be used mainly for euro jaunts, ring and spa trip, occasional trackday.


Thoughts please guys:supz:

Alternatives welcome, but must be auto spastic/dual clutch etc
Out of the 4 cars you mention in that list, you've had 2 ... the GTR & E92 M3 . It's probably best to ask yourself the important question... WHY? you SOLD them in the first place.
With regards to the other 2 ... No to Cayman R as it's only 2 seater (despite being a decent motor) and just forget the A45 as it's: Wrong wheel drive, boring 4 pot and I'm guessing here but I can see you selling it within a week of buying it. I'd rather have the BWM M135 anytime and they are great value.

What about another 911 Turbo Pork Tip ? 4 seater of sorts. The silver 996 Turbo you had few years ago went well :thumbs: Can U get into a very early 997 Gen 1 @ £40K yet ?

[shane@mbtech]

135i is 10k cheaper than Merc, d hope it was being beaten!

Nothing useful to add other than ditch the nippers and get a CLK Black with the gearbox mods :smt055

Thats my biggest reservation re the A45. The seemimglyhigh cost. If it was 32k it would have been ordered last week.

996 Turbo S Tip ?

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-turbo-996/simply-the-best--porsche-996-turbo-s-tiptronic-coupe-05-05/1291844


My 997 tt was leagues better than 996, but autobox in both is too slushy, although better in
997

It is an outside option though, the 997 tt.

[Mike R]

Just buy a CSL and be done with it LOL.

[Bounce]

Just buy a CSL and be done with it LOL.+1:thumbs:

[shane@mbtech]

Out of the 4 cars you mention in that list, you've had 2 ... the GTR & E92 M3 . It's probably best to ask yourself the important question... WHY? you SOLD them in the first place.
With regards to the other 2 ... No to Cayman R as it's only 2 seater (despite being a decent motor) and just forget the A45 as it's: Wrong wheel drive, boring 4 pot and I'm guessing here but I can see you selling it within a week of buying it. I'd rather have the BWM M135 anytime and they are great value.

What about another 911 Turbo Pork Tip ? 4 seater of sorts. The silver 996 Turbo you had few years ago went well :thumbs: Can U get into a very early 997 Gen 1 @ £40K yet ?

I had the 997 turbo, great car matt. Cheaper to maintain than gtr, high £40's still, but an option.

In honesty, reason for selling has always been money and me panicking, seeing £40k plus sat on drive getting little use and depreciating always frightened me. Silly really, so now wedding is done, I know where wallet is up to, so systems go.

[shane@mbtech]

Just buy a CSL and be done with it LOL.

Its an option. Will be my 5th ownership stint if I do. 4th csl, as owned 1st one twice.

[Monkey]

I think somebody mentioned it already, bit the 1M is a great buy for that price. Depreciation is not an issue right now, and I see no reason for that not to continue.

If you have not driven one I would strongly advise it, its a fantastic car. Actually my second favourite BMW of the last 25 years (after the CSL).

Ticks all the boxes IMO, if I had £40k right now that's where I would put it.

[mattCSLnut]

I had the 997 turbo, great car matt. Cheaper to maintain than gtr, high £40's still, but an option.

In honesty, reason for selling has always been money and me panicking, seeing £40k plus sat on drive getting little use and depreciating always frightened me. Silly really, so now wedding is done, I know where wallet is up to, so systems go.

Fair enough Shane :wink: so residuals are very important, obviously :) , in which case bit of forward thinking is required.
Lots of people getting out of E92 M3 at the moment so they are droping in value BIG :119: time, as well as the NEW M4 being just around the corner, promising to be a great M-car with E46 M3 curb weight, straight 6 Twin or Tri Turbo with 450 BHP + and M4 CSL in the pipelines as well, all of which is going to kill the residuals of the E92 M3, so that's straight out of the equation.

The R35 GTR values are also heading South, just not as fast as the E92 M3. Where do you recon the GTR is going to be @ price wise in lets say 12 months time ?

I recon if you can get into a 997 Turbo @ around £40 ish K that's the one that's going to hold it's value best. :thumbs: Just my thoughts.

[shimmy]

I've no feckin idea tbh.

How about a Vauxhall vxR8 for some V8 fun.

[mattCSLnut]

I think somebody mentioned it already, bit the 1M is a great buy for that price. Depreciation is not an issue right now, and I see no reason for that not to continue.

If you have not driven one I would strongly advise it, its a fantastic car. Actually my second favourite BMW of the last 25 years (after the CSL).

Ticks all the boxes IMO, if I had £40k right now that's where I would put it.
Problem for Shane would be the 1M is Manual only IIRC

[mattCSLnut]

I've no feckin idea tbh.

How about a Vauxhall vxR8 for some V8 fun.

C63 AMG is better :smokin: but neither would make a good track car.

[shane@mbtech]

I've no feckin idea tbh.

How about a Vauxhall vxR8 for some V8 fun.

I've no fecking idea either. Join the club.

Who's that fit northern lass in your avatar? Can you put in a good word:thumbs:


At Matt, Gtr I don't think will ever fall much below £30k if I'm honest.

My head is throwing all types of thoughts around ATM.

Who knows what ill get, you guys should start a betting book:gayfight:

[Mark CSL]

What about the V10 M5 good cars can be had for under 20k with bmw warranty not great on fuel but they wont lose much more money :thumbs:

[Yanto]

M6 ?

[shane@mbtech]

What about the V10 M5 good cars can be had for under 20k with bmw warranty not great on fuel but they wont lose much more money :thumbs:

Too big for my needs mark, I did consider one, but always put off re reliability.

[shane@mbtech]

M6 ?

Not really my cuppa.


I think I'm leaning towards rwd, m3... But which one. A nice e92 with a few tweaks or a csl again.

[mattCSLnut]

At Matt, Gtr I don't think will ever fall much below £30k if I'm honest.

My head is throwing all types of thoughts around ATM.

Who knows what ill get, you guys should start a betting book:gayfight:


In that case my money is on another "Godzilla" then :supz: ... unless you stumble upon a 997 Turbo Tip @ £40K :whistle:
Nice £40K dilemma to have mate :beer:

[shane@mbtech]

In that case my money is on another "Godzilla" then :supz: ... unless you stumble upon a 997 Turbo Tip @ £40K :whistle:
Nice £40K dilemma to have mate :beer:

My theory around the 30k is simply the performance that they give.
I might be wrong though, I usually am:119:

[Yanto]

RS5











I'm here all night... :)

[shane@mbtech]

RS5











I'm here all night... :)

Not my thing either.


I'm trying to sort a deal on a csl with my mate that I advertised on here last week, with my evo. Just waiting to hear back from him, although I think he is after a gen 2 gt3.

[mattCSLnut]

RS5







I'm here all night... :)


:hahaha: I was going to suggest the RS6 V10 Twin Turbo with 570 + BHP stock (make mine an Avant for extra kudos) but neither it or the RS5 are going to be much use @ track days :banghead: I'd love either of these two http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/audi/rs6/audi-rs6-5-0t-fs-v10-rs6-quattro-tip-5-doors-automatic-estate/1501892 or http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/audi/rs6/audi-rs6-5-0t-fsi-v10-rs6-quattro-5dr-tip-auto/1420318

[shimmy]

40k on the button, auto box, birds love them (especially Yorkshire ones with curly hair and cute arses.)


http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/aston-martin/v8-vantage-coupe/aston-martin-vantage-4-3-v8-sat-nav-automatic/1326428

[s1csl]

I think somebody mentioned it already, bit the 1M is a great buy for that price. Depreciation is not an issue right now, and I see no reason for that not to continue.

If you have not driven one I would strongly advise it, its a fantastic car. Actually my second favourite BMW of the last 25 years (after the CSL).

Ticks all the boxes IMO, if I had £40k right now that's where I would put it.
ME TOO:thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

My theory around the 30k is simply the performance that they give.
I might be wrong though, I usually am:119:
This one looks tempting Shane :whistle: http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/nissan/gt-r/nissan-gtr-premium-edition-fnsh-including-optimisations-bluetooth-20-alloys-rear-park-distance-control-2009-09/1480369

[digi]

- CSL for depreciation proof. You did mention you do not like the idea of depreciation. :-D
- GTR for out and out supercar destroyer (need to mod for ultimate pleasure)
- E92 M3 if you are getting old and want some comfort :finga:
- AMG - dunno why you would consider that in this list unless its the C63 BS
- Gayman R is a great car but when you are being pissed on the autobahn you will wish you picked one of the big boys. :smokin:

If I could only have 1 based on your needs I'd probably pick the GTR BUT you will need to change the run flats and preferably install litchfields new suspension for it to work as a full on cruiser. Also, if you intend to track it too, tranny cooler is a must. The price of earlier models have bottomed as the newer vehicles are so much more expensive. Its a good choice, BUT IT NEEDS WORK!! :)

Happy hunting!!!

[Steve B]

Its an option. Will be my 5th ownership stint if I do. 4th csl, as owned 1st one twice.


You sound like me and Cosworths.....

[Mark CSL]

Well Shane
Just buy another M3 CSL you know its the right way to go
the CSL you know is a great track car good on road and with the one hand you can make it move faster than shimmy :whistle:

They are going up not down in value just now and i don't see that changing any time soon :supz:

The M3 is a great car but with the new m4 on the cards and the V8 putting people off its losing money hand over fist just now.
Its a great car but who is going to buy it and at what price :(

The M1 was ok in my opinion not a great track car in my opinion
not a bad road car but with it only a Manuel gearbox not the best i would think for you to drive.

Get your self in an old CSL you know its the right thing to do:beer:

[73CSL]

what about a 996 GT3 ? Rear seats can be retro fitted so that would keep the family happy .... depreciation appears to be bottoming out

EDIT : Sorry, just seen you want a flappy paddle

[glendog74]

Late reg E60/61 M5 - that way you still have around £10-15k left to spunk on its V10 petrol addiction!!! :supz:

[Monkey]

Late reg E60/61 M5 - that way you still have around £10-15k left to spunk on its V10 petrol addiction!!! :supz:


You may get about a years worth of fuel out of that!! They're great fun for about 30mins, then very tiresome. No way could I live with one. Nice noise, thats about it. Disgraceful economy (yes single figures) & running costs.

If I had to get an E60 it would be the Alpina B5. Now that is a serious bit of kit, And I would hazard a guess in real world driving would crap all over an M5;)

[alexk]

You may get about a years worth of fuel out of that!! They're great fun for about 30mins, then very tiresome. No way could I live with one. Nice noise, thats about it. Disgraceful economy (yes single figures) & running costs.

If I had to get an E60 it would be the Alpina B5. Now that is a serious bit of kit, And I would hazard a guess in real world driving would crap all over an M5;)

I always thought this engine was put in the wrong chassis.
I think it's a supercar engine on a fat/heavy sedan chassis.
It doesn't really make sense to me.

[shane@mbtech]

Decision made!

I put deposit on c63 then had better thoughts.

Made my decision, just have to cross a few t's and dot a few i's.

[Bealo]

So what did you go for in the end????

[mattCSLnut]

Decision made!

I put deposit on c63 then had better thoughts.

Made my decision, just have to cross a few t's and dot a few i's.
I've got a funny feeling you've bought another Cecil Shane :whistle:

[Steve B]

I've got a funny feeling you've bought another Cecil Shane :whistle:

a black 1 is my reconning....:thumbs:

[shane@mbtech]

I've got a funny feeling you've bought another Cecil Shane :whistle:

a black 1 is my reconning....:thumbs:

Correctamundo guys

Bought Daz's csl back off my mate, totally by chance yesterday. Not planned. But heart of hearts the right decision.

[mattCSLnut]

Correctamundo guys

Bought Daz's csl back off my mate, totally by chance yesterday. Not planned. But heart of hearts the right decision.

:thumbs: :partyman: Good choice Shane :smokin:

[s.mac]

Watch the for sale section in about a month ....

[mattCSLnut]

Watch the for sale section in about a month ....
As long as that you reckon ? :-D

[Neil M]

You know it makes sense! Welcome back?:thumbs:

[shane@mbtech]

Watch the for sale section in about a month ....

Ahhhh come on guys. I was keeping my last one until I put it through a barrier at 80mph:partyman:

[s.mac]

Lol you can't help but change every other month ;)

[Bounce]

Nice one Shane :thumbs::thumbs:

[shane@mbtech]

First drive home tonight back in a csl

Love it. Few little tweeks to do. Service. A few bushes to replace. Quick geo. get some 18 x 9 alloys and slicks for the sprints. Refurb kw, replace bearings etc.

[Yanto]

Welcome home matey :smokin:

[Steve B]

I don't know you but I hope you enjoy the car.


Steve

[DazBlackCSL]

Correctamundo guys

Bought Daz's csl back off my mate, totally by chance yesterday. Not planned. But heart of hearts the right decision.


Nice :supz: good to have the old girl back in the group :smt055

Many years and many good memories and trips in her

[glendog74]

First drive home tonight back in a csl

Love it. Few little tweeks to do. Service. A few bushes to replace. Quick geo. get some 18 x 9 alloys and slicks for the sprints. Refurb kw, replace bearings etc.

Frikkin' ell! You make me chuckle Shane!

Glad you're staying with us :thumbs:

[northernjim]

Shane has revolving doors at work too.....:whistle:



Nice :supz: good to have the old girl back in the group :smt055

Many years and many good memories and trips in her



Did you get the stains out before you sold her Daz:partyman::119::hahaha:

[Straightsix]

Cayman R (Manual) if comes in manual otherwise get PDK

The best handling car there is my first choice

2nd choice E92 M3

What about Lotus Exige or Lotus Exige Roadster ?

[Straightsix]

I think somebody mentioned it already, bit the 1M is a great buy for that price. Depreciation is not an issue right now, and I see no reason for that not to continue.

If you have not driven one I would strongly advise it, its a fantastic car. Actually my second favourite BMW of the last 25 years (after the CSL).

Ticks all the boxes IMO, if I had £40k right now that's where I would put it.

When the M235i or M2 comes out may hit there residuals

[northernjim]

Cayman R (Manual) if comes in manual otherwise get PDK

The best handling car there is my first choice

2nd choice E92 M3

What about Lotus Exige or Lotus Exige Roadster ?



Lawsy only has 1 arm, its twice the size of mine, more like a leg attached to his shoulder, but still only 1:thumbs:

[Bounce]

Lawsy only has 1 arm, its twice the size of mine, more like a leg attached to his shoulder, but still only 1:thumbs:I love you Jimbo :-D

[DazBlackCSL]

Shane has revolving doors at work too.....:whistle:







Did you get the stains out before you sold her Daz:partyman::119::hahaha:

All sorted Jimbo :hahaha:

[shawn 968cs]

There "may" be a alternative on the horizon!
I say "may" as I have never been much of a merc fan, and its down to individual taste.
However after watching this vids, it starts you thinking, and it gets you thinking what if they bring a black version out, what will that be like!
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=28108
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/video-mercedes-a45-amg-vs-golf-gti-vs-bmw-m135i
Shawn