BMW Performance Brake kit (6 pot brembo monoblock)

[NZ_M3]

Saw this on Mtorque ... thought some of you guys might be interested (I am sure some of you have already read the post on there, but I thought it'd be handy to post it up here given that somebody once asked whether it was a possible - seems it is now).

Uses the BMW Performance 6 pot monoblock Brembos and CSL/ZCP disc and custom mounting brackets.

And according to the owner of the vehicle pictured below - no spacers required with the OEM 19s.

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1005/brakestx5.jpg


You can purchase the conversion kit from these guys below:

http://shop.speedreligion.net/index.asp

no info on the website yet ...



Hi everyone;

It is true; we did have one of our E46 330d's at Oulton with the BMW® Performance Brake kit fitted to the front as a test mule.

From the overwhelming amount of interest for the E46 M3 and M3 CSL, we have now also finished the development work and can now offer you the BMW® Performance Front Big Brake Kit with the yellow Brembo Callipers for £960 all in.

The E46 M3 Kit includes:

x2 BMW® Performance Yellow 6 pot Brembo Callipers with Brembo Pads.
x2 BMW® M3 CSL 345mm x 28mm Floating Discs.
x2 Goodridge Braided Hoses (Rear's can also be supplied at a slight extra cost).
x2 Custom made Aluminium Brake Calliper Mounting Brackets.

We will have these kits ready to ship by Monday 2nd February, once we have fulfilled our current pre-orders that we took at the AutoSport show at the specially discounted price.

E46 M3 CSL owners can also benefit from this kit, the same as above, but minus the M3 CSL brake discs for just £760 all in.

The E46 330i/330d kit will be made available later this month...

To place an order, please contact us on 01925 850796.


Anthony.
Speed Religion Ltd
01925 850796



p.s. I am not affiliated with speed religion or the owner of the vehicle pictured ... just saw the post on m3torque and thought some might be interested.

[RichW]

Seems like good value for money :smokin:

[dave1]

cheap upgrade but paltry looking discs

[englebert]

I think if i didn't have the AP i'd probably go for them, as i like the use of semi-official parts.

[_Nathan_]

cheap upgrade but paltry looking discs

I think that CSL disks are better than the AP disks - they last really well and are floating which the AP ones aren't. And they are really cheap too. Like englebert I'd be tempted if I didn't have APs. Having said that I believe simpsons have an AP kit that uses standard CSL disks too - be tempted with that too.

[Andyk]

Love the yellow calipers and seems like a cheaper upgrade.

[DazBlackCSL]

Boys , V soon , just waiting for the nod , Thorney will have Yellow Alcons available for the CSL / M3 :drool:

Will update when I have some more detail :-D

[_Nathan_]

I'm sure i'd be cheaper to get your APs painted yellow than it would to move to yellow Alcons Daz ;)

[DazBlackCSL]

LOL !

Yes your dead right ! But will prob sell the AP's anyhow , and then sort ?

Unsure , just really wanted yellow , I know , I know it makes NO dif to the stopping power !! :hahaha:

But from a purely cosmetic front , big yellow calipers on black :drool: , and the Alcon's are larger , and potentially better than AP's , interested to hear if anyone has them , or has driven something with ALCON's on tho ??

[houlbt]

LOL !
But from a purely cosmetic front , big yellow calipers on black :drool: , and the Alcon's are larger , and potentially better than AP's , interested to hear if anyone has them , or has driven something with ALCON's on tho ??

Not sure Alcons will be a comparable cost mod though... so not really like for like. I've a couple of 911's with Alcons. Good kit for sure but I'm more than happy with my AP's and really think they are the benchmark to which everyone else compares.

Given you've already got AP's I don't get why you owuld consider the expense of changing when you could spend the money on other bits instead?

[dave1]

alcon's are monoblock calipers and bigger disc's. ap are 2 bits bolted together no one has used a design like that for years so last tuesday ap disc's are pitiful same cost not not the same product alcon is far superior in my opinion :whistle:

[DazBlackCSL]

What he said !!!! :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

[DazBlackCSL]

Seriously tho, thats what I had heard too, but im more than happy with my AP's (to date) after tons of track and many ring trips , so just pushing the next envelope sort of thing ... and not upto speed on the difference if any , only just comments , (one from the Alcon team ) so pretty bias !!! lol & wanted some input from people who had experience etc :-D

[_Nathan_]

Dave - are you saying the alcons don't have a separate bell? I'm not sure what you mean by 2 piece?

Daz - IMO wait until the AP disks are shot, stick some PF disks on and spend the money elsewhere, the alcons being a monblock is all very good but can you say that you can feel your caliper flexing? I can't and pad changes are really easy too, as is checking pad thickness.

I doubt you'd notice any difference on track unless you are already doing
the same lap times that an f1 driver could do in your car...

Not saying the APs are better, just that I doubt you'd notice the difference if any and the money could buy a lot of other bits or driver training that would make you miles faster than swapping from AP to Alcon.

[dave1]

no the caliper is machined from a solid billet of aluminium whereas the ap is 2 halves bolted together

[SMD]

Will have pics up soon of my Yellow brake kit! :smokin:
One of only 2 kits ever! 8 pot front 4 pot rear! :thumbs:

[bryce]

Dibs on your APs Daz :thumbs:

[_Nathan_]

Sorry - you said that after you said about disks which I read wrong!

I know the AP calipers aren't monoblock but I can't feel them flex so no bother to me, makes pad changes easy! You can buy an AP monoblock if you want to pay more for it, they even do calipers with a carbon fibre cooling arrangement on the top that accepts a hose - also they do some mental calipers that are miles ahead of the normal monoblock designs in terms of cooling and rigidity, there was an article in race technology magazine or similar about them and how fitted them to a nascar lead to a win in the calipers first outing. Really complex looking things.

[dave1]

yes you can but the alcon's are the same money as the standard ap's

[DazBlackCSL]

HMMMM :119: :119: :119:

Gonna try out some alcon's first me thinks , all a matter of taste and what you want out of them , need to be a big difference to warrant the change , but always open minded :-D

Yellow !! :smt057

[_Nathan_]

Well I know that people have done 24h races using the same callipers we've got so I think it'll come down to colour ;)

[houlbt]

My point Daz - is that given you've already got bigger brakes on your car and by the sounds of it you're happy with them so I question whether it's a worthwhile expenditure, like I said spend the money on something else. I also personally I really don't think you'll appreciate the difference in the applications you are talking about.

If you were starting out again then pound for pound maybe the Alcons you're looking at are a better option. But monoblock construction and a bigger disc does not necessarily equal superior performance. That said I stress I'm not knocking Alcon stuff, it really is very good.

As manufacturers go I still think AP are benchmark for brakes though.... as NAthan says, if you've got the budget they do some very trick stuff.

http://www.apracing.com/pics/productpics/CP5779.jpg

[DazBlackCSL]

Yeah I know , agree prob not worth the change if was just swapping for the sake of it or colour ! , BUT .. as im using my old e46 M3 in the CSL cup , and needing brakes for that , im going to be purchasing another set , so either Alcon or AP , so might run the AP's on the race car and put the Alcon's on mine or visa versa ... :wink:

Be nice to compare the both on the same car , and everyone has a different driving style , harder on brakes than others etc

Cheers for the input tho :beer:

[NZ_M3]

okay ... after posting this information on a couple of US based websites I thought the following might be important for those that are thinking about purchasing this kit for track use ...


copied from my post on Mtorque.


I posted info on this setup on m3forums in the States and also cslregister (thinking there would be plenty of interests alll around) ..

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=246910

I do believe you already have a couple of orders through too as a result.

Anyway, it's now been raised that these calipers might not suit hard out race use (especially if you run race based compounds) - I just thought that people should be aware of it. They are a good upgrade and certain up to the task for road and occasional track use - but these don't appear to be a substitute for Alcons/AP Racings alike it seems.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/wleng/IMG_0570.jpg

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14599231

I am not here to slam the kit or anything - I still think for the money it's a great setup.

[Mark CSL]

Now thats not good burnt like a crisp and the piston looks cracked

[DazBlackCSL]

You do get what you pay for , and I guess it depends how much track stuff you intend doing or very hard driving ! :whistle:

[windy]

It's my car the kit's been fitted to. I'm still taking it easy as they've just been fitted, but I can already feel a LOT more bite in the brakes, inspiring a lot more confidence, which is the one thing I've always felt the M3 let itself down on.

I'll give more detailed feedback after my next trackday in February as I don't use the car much these days.

The kit on my car consists of BMW Performance yellow 6 pot Brembo callipers with Brembo pads, M3 CSL 345mm x 28mm floating discs, plus Goodridge braided hoses.

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1005/brakestx5.jpg

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8730/img21032bf4.jpg

Here's the calipers themselves...

Fronts...

http://www.speedreligion.net/images/Products/Speed-Religion-BMW-Performance-6-Piston-Front-Brake-Calliper.jpg

Backs...

http://www.speedreligion.net/images/Products/Speed-Religion-BMW-Performance-2-Piston-Rear-Brake-Calliper.jpg

I'd been looking at AP's, and there's no doubting that they're the nuts, but I couldn't justify the outlay of just over £2,000 for the fronts with the car not being a full-on trackday weapon. These came in at less than half that with the hoses, and I'll probably be getting the rears fitted at some point too.

I was curious about the post of the damaged calipers when I first saw it, but I've since read the following...

More Info coming in from one of my 135 gurus...

The nuking pistons was due to non-stock pads that DID NOT have the titanium backing plates to properly dissipate/distribute the heat.
It has been confirmed by Brembo that the pistons/seals are the same as used in the Porsche GT3 cup car so its highly unlikely to be a caliper design issue...

Phew. If it's good enough for the GT3, it's good enough for my lowly M3.

[DazBlackCSL]

:eek: Yellow !!! lol

Love the look / and a good mid way point ....

Winds
Needs suspension now :whistle: :wink: ... even better with that gap removed !!

[Nords]

From Mtorque and M2forum before that!..

More Info coming in from one of my 135 gurus...

It is the same exact caliper. (as the 135)
It uses the exact same pads.
Current aftermarket pad choices- Carbotech, Hawk should be out "any day"
The nuking pistons was due to non-stock pads that DID NOT have the titanium backing plates to properly dissipate/distribute the heat.
It has been confirmed by Brembo that the pistons/seals are the same as used in the Porsche GT3 cup car so its highly unlikely to be a caliper design issue...



It is true, this is a road setup that can do track days.

It isn't trying to compete with AP Racing / Alcon.

The thread that was raised in the US RE the crackerd 135i piston, has been fully examined and as posted above, was down do incorrect pad choice, lack of heat dispipating heat shield, not the manufacture or choice of piston - they're the same as the Porsche GT3 Cup pistons and dust shields as clarified by Brembo direct.


ant.

[NZ_M3]

A wee update on the cracking piston issue fellas ...

It seems it's a ceramic insert issue rather than the piston cracking (piston is stainless)

Have a read - even has an AP Racing guy giving his 2 cents on the whole thing.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18646

[windy]

:eek: Yellow !!! lol

Love the look / and a good mid way point ....

Winds
Needs suspension now :whistle: :wink: ... even better with that gap removed !!

Haha, I know mate, I really wasn't sure at first, but I kind of like them now. Suspenders are the next thing to be sorted for sure!

[englebert]

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18646

Errr... Virtual plant tour?