Some updates/mods and a good clean

[gingernuts]

Gave the CSL a good clean today, and got some photos of it with the little mods Ive added.

added:

schroth quick release harnesses
15mm and 12mm Spacers
Bmw plate holder (acquired from the Factory in Munich when I paid a visit last year)
Pagid RS29's
Braided Lines
Brembo Fluid
Depo's (still not sure on these)

Have done around 3500 miles in her now with only a few days on dry days so only just really getting the chance to push it more in the corners. Had toyed with the idea of coilovers, but the more I use it on roads around me the more I think it would make it more difficult to progress quickly as some of the roads are just to bumpy for coilies. One of the other reasons was having seen Dereks on KW's, it sat really nicely, but having added the spacers I think it sits much nicer and is a nice compromise.

Also if anyones any good at photoshop and fancies tarting upand of the photos that would be ace!

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j55/gingerheadman_2006/IMG_2348_zpscc018598.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j55/gingerheadman_2006/IMG_2349_zpsb633b5ac.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j55/gingerheadman_2006/IMG_2351_zpse86ddc2c.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j55/gingerheadman_2006/IMG_2353_zps5f31339c.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j55/gingerheadman_2006/IMG_2350_zpsfb52b6b0.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j55/gingerheadman_2006/IMG_2354_zps11bc7cee.jpg

[deanobeano]

Looking good Ginger and in the right colour too!

Mods can we have a sub forum for the SB svelter and rarer variant?

[ChrisCSL]

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j55/gingerheadman_2006/IMG_2354_zps11bc7cee.jpg

Hmm,
Are you sure, that this is safe?
:whistle:

[chrisburns]

Looking good Ginger and in the right colour too!

Mods can we have a sub forum for the SB svelter and rarer variant?

www.m3cutters.com :hahaha:

How the the harnesses anchored ?

[Neil M]

Photoshop you rang sir?

Nothing wrong with the images, other than you should never take a pic viewing into the light source, left rear 3/4 shot.

Those belts are going to make a mess of the Alcantara, where are they anchored in the rear belt sockets, if so will it pass an MOT with that set up.
Looks like you've inadvertently provided a get out of jail clause for the insurance company, if that's the case.

[gingernuts]

Harnesses use existing seat belt mounts and a couple of clips that bolt underneath. 30s to remove/put in!

[chrisburns]

Harnesses use existing seat belt mounts and a couple of clips that bolt underneath. 30s to remove/put in!

Surely thats not strong enough in the event of an accident though ? Not being a spoil sport here but I think you would be safer with the factory belt.

[gingernuts]

If a standard seat belt just uses two points of contact, and this uses four. Id assume that was safer. Im sure schroth wouldn't make something that wasn't tested and up to standard.

Regards wear, I will only use them for track days or the ring if I were ever to do any. Thats the reason for using a quick release system. I have also put seat belt pads wear they make contact with the seat.

The original belts are still there and used on a day to day basis.

[ChrisCSL]

The schroths are not the problem. I´m more concerned about the fact, that the standard seats are not designed for this kind of harnesses. There is a reason, that full bucket seats have holes for the harnesses for defined guidance. Your pelvis cant be fixed properly, and there is also is a chance, that the shoulder belts will wipe off by the sides.

[gingernuts]

Fair point. Across the lap it is held very tight and I'd say is more secure feeling than the standard belt. I can see what your saying across the shoulders and in certain circumstances could occur, however, I run my belts really tight as I do in my race car and you couldn't physically move the belt off the shoulder (also worth bearing in mind that the shoulders sit above the wings of the seat so wouldnt be angled as in the photo). According to schroth these are designed for an E46 M3, maybe not a CSL but they don't have holes in them either. I wont be doing much track work if any, but just felt these would be safer at the ring in may, and having tried them quickly on the road they definitely give you a much improved sense of security in the seat. Like you say though as to whether they actually work is not proven.

[Mark CSL]

I would never wear a harness in a car with no cage if its over you are dead :whistle:

[mattCSLnut]

Sorry to say this but ... Seriously ?!?! :banghead:
IMHO these quick release harnesses look ill fitted over your CSL seats and may potentially be dangerous. The shoulder straps are too far apart + where exactly are they anchored at the back ?
For the records the OEM Cecil seat & belt combo is perfectly supportive around the Ring + you have the benefit of pre-tension with the OEM set up, should the worst happen. Harnesses work best with appropriate Racing bucket seats with equally appropriate harness cut outs in them. :smokin:

Gave the CSL a good clean today, and got some photos of it with the little mods Ive added.

added:

schroth quick release harnesses

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j55/gingerheadman_2006/IMG_2354_zps11bc7cee.jpg

[chrisburns]

If a standard seat belt just uses two points of contact, and this uses four. Id assume that was safer. Im sure schroth wouldn't make something that wasn't tested and up to standard.

The four points being the seat mountings ? if so there is no way these were designed to withstand lateral forces in the event of an accident. Seat belt mountings on the other hand are designed to be just that.

[Bealo]

All i have ever used on track is a CG lock with the standard belts.

Aslong as you pull the crotch strap really tight you don't move in your seat at all.

It's good enough for me. :thumbs: and can be removed by undoing 2 x allen bolts in 2 minutes.

[3wheels3]

Last time I looked Scroth do NOT recommend without shoulder cut outs and explicitly recommend not to do this without cut outs.

Mounting points are existing seat belt points so ok as is angle of harness from rear mounting points. But not with those seats for me, sorry. If you keep the seats, as bealo said, CG Lock is really good. CG helps in the corners holding pelvis are stopping bum lift whilst also helping when you're on't eccles.

[3wheels3]

Here it is. Page 21 Seat Requirements. Either do suitable seats Or CG Lock imo.

http://www.schroth.com/installation-instructions/en/04_important_information_about_bolts.htm

http://www.schroth.com/installation-instructions/en/images/image_128.gif

[gingernuts]

Calm down chaps. As mentioned they were only going to be for track days, but having seen the multiude of evidence against them, I think ill stick to the CG lock and punt these. Luckily I got them very cheap so should be able to move them on ok.

For those concerned about mounting points, they are designed to be attached where the rear seatbelts clips are. As mentioned they may not work with these seats but they are designed for an E46 M3 so id assume with the correct seats they will be ok.

[3wheels3]

If you got at decent price may be hold on and if you decide you'd like to go harness get suitable seat then. Pretty sure those harness has tuv thingy or whatever so be ok at ring.

[shimmy]

dont listen to them all......bloody wingers

if you want perfect safety DONT DRIVE, and everything else is just a degree of compromise

Id rather sit with you in your car in my pants and vest holding a can of petrol. and wearing those harnesses THAN sit in Jimbos car with a full cage and harness :)

[chrisburns]

:hahaha:

[Bounce]

dont listen to them all......bloody wingers

if you want perfect safety DONT DRIVE, and everything else is just a degree of compromise

Id rather sit with you in your car in my pants and vest holding a can of petrol. and wearing those harnesses THAN sit in Jimbos car with a full cage and harness :):hahaha::hahaha:

[Bealo]

dont listen to them all......bloody wingers

if you want perfect safety DONT DRIVE, and everything else is just a degree of compromise

Id rather sit with you in your car in my pants and vest holding a can of petrol. and wearing those harnesses THAN sit in Jimbos car with a full cage and harness :)

Trust you to pipe up with your pants talk again :gayfight:

[gingernuts]

Im flattered that so many careabout my saftey! blts are out now, but on second thoughts I might put them back in, as if i bin it, im fairly sure I wouldnt want to live after it anyway after killing a black cesil. Would be so back if it were SG as I could find another one no probs.